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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:33 PM
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Where have all the good Clintons gone?
As I sit here shuddering in horror at what Bush has managed to do to our great nation in a mere 5 years, I pine for the good ol' days of Bill Clinton. We had jobs. We balanced the budget. We didn't have terrorists fly planes into our buildings. He gutted welfare, but he never threatened to eliminate Social Security with a plan that would explode the deficit.

Where are all the good Clintons, and why can't we get one out front to speak for us?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:49 PM
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1. Dunno where Chelsea went. Dunno any other good Clintons either.
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 06:49 PM by HypnoToad
I've said 10 things as to why Bill was a two-faced twerp.

Here's #11: He freely continued offshoring and pro-China practices (never mind the MFN status, ouch), which had the repukes branding him a traitor. Why didn't Bill do a 180 and stop the insanity, right there and then? Dunno. How much is the corporate elite paying him?

Bill's a sleaze and not for any sexual reasons (sex is far more natural than money).

All of this is being said in hindsight, and a lot of which even I noted from the start as being shady, but maybe we all should have been paying closer attention and getting him to be pro-Dem and pro-US a little more often.

of course,

* NAFTA
* DOMA
* DMCA
* Firing Jocelyn Elders
* Nixing the 55mph speed limit (wastes exponentially more gas AND oil... blame the laws of physics...)
* 1996 telecom 'reform' (helped make the media mess we're angry at today)
* Monica (didn't Bill figure it out by then that repukes would do anything to discredit him and OUR party? DUH.)
* 1995 welfare "reform" (didn't stop corporate subsidy...)
* Did nothing to improve worker salaries (all the graphs I've seen show a 25 year straight line, no 8 year reprieve. And these came from the AFL-CIO.)
*

I don't recall the other one and I'm too tired to look or care. But the points are clear; Clinton was more of a DINO, albeit a moderate republican and hopefully thought what he was doing was for the good of the country, rather than the usual "justice for those with the cash" as politicians seem to live by all too often.

Clinton HAD his good points; he seemed legitimately concerned over middle east peace. He also fixed the budget. He's done other genuinely things too.

But let's face reality; he was not as good as people thought. (though that filth reagan was exponentially worse... maybe infinitely worse.) He was pro-corporate and likely just as paid for. And when people say he was "the best president republicans ever had", there's a reason. I've posted 10 and will eventually remember #11.


> MFN = Most favored Nation.



Edit: Clarification re: Jocelyn Elders
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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:59 PM
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2. Bush is better? Or Reagan?
If I had to choose between Bush and Clinton, I would choose Clinton on any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Was Clinton perfect? No. Was Clinton far better than Bush could ever dream of being, and did he put good people in important jobs who could actually DO their jobs? Yes.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 07:07 PM
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3. Bill certainly was a politician, and tried to have it both ways, but his
saving grace (even if I didn't agree with a lot of his policies) was that he was intelligent. He knew how things should work, he built up FEMA that actually helped people (Dumbo has essentially dismantled it) and he kept us safe. 9-11 would not have happened on his watch becasue he wanted to be informed, and people would have alerted him to what was going on. Bush didn't want to hear it, and so people didn't tell him, or were afraid of telling him.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 07:40 PM
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4. Ya Know.... ENOUGH Now!
We have been hashing and re-hashing Hillary ad-nauseoum of late. I personally DO NOT want to see her run, I don't think it's the best move. I just WISH she would come out and say... No, NO, No!

But there IS one point that I would like to make. I've made it before and if you just LOOK at the line-up, it seems almost ridiculous to think that EVEN here in THIS SCREWED up time in America that it is likely that we would do this.

BUSH, CLINTON, CLINTON, BUSH, BUSH, & then ANOTHER CLINTON???

Talk about "johnny one notes!" What are the law of averages here??? Gee, Americans only know TWO names for President. And BTW, we COULD then start all over again with BUSH (Jebby Baby)! Perhaps by THAT time Chelsey will be old enough!!!

This is just much to SICKO for me!!!
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