Mark Warner, taking VA would be nice.

I have mixed thought about Mark but VA has a good chunk of electoral votes that we don't typically get. But then if we lose CA what would that matter? :shrug:

We do HAVE to be careful, because we know how those Diebold machines can perform magic.

Any ad money there is money wasted. OH voted perfectly in line with its normal voting trends for close elections. If anything, it voted a bit more Democratic than trend. I am not a believer in such widespread vote fraud.

California is pretty darn blue and has been for years in Presidential Elections.

I don't trust them at all.. especially in Ohio!

But I'm wondering if they'd actually be daring enough to change the results in areas that show the polls HEAVILY in favor of one candidate?

Don't they care about ever getting caught?

What if places all over the nation were reporting their results were nothing like the exit polls? All of a sudden, from everywhere there's Diebold, reports are coming in of skewed results..

Could they seriously get away with ripping off our votes everywhere without getting caught?

Stated in their post that they don't believe in such widespread vote fraud.

Jaysus, I have a thread where I defend Hillary Clinton as a good Democratic Senator...and I become what...chopped liver for 50% of the people here.

That's just lovely isn't it? A Democrat defends another Democrat and they get turned into chopped liver.

I didn't even respond to that post~ :hug:

(I stayed clear ;) )

I'm innocent (for once) and no way are you chopped liver!! :grouphug:

I wouldn't be surprised if half of GD and GD Politics had put me on ignore because I defended Hillary.

Aw, heck I love polar bears, they're so adorable.

:hug:

We'd never ignore JT!

:hug:

You're a Clark supporter too, I like Clark, Edwards and Warner, I think any of those combinations would be a definate winner.

And if I could've gotten onto that live chat with the General today, I sure would've loved to ask him about it! :shrug:

(although, he'd probably give me that canned response they all give this early out ;) )

If General Clark steps into the race, =wham= I'm over at the Clark08 site to help out! :patriot:

But you just can't help but to take note of the MANY positives that Governor Warner has!

The two of them (to me) would be ideal !!

All I know now is that in about 22 months, the crazy start of the 2008 campaigning will begin.

With tons of candidates on both sides.. wow, it's going to be WILD!

but I'd advise that no one should be picked because of the state they are from.
Kerry's 252 electoral votes plus VA's 13 evs means only 5 evs to be president. But that is *if* a Warner ticket would keep all of Kerry's states. I think he would, as there are many great things that Warner has done, and there are many great things about him. He knows where he stands on the issues, he is comfortable with taking an unpopular position, he is very down to earth and easy to understand, he has gotten a lot done despite being in a fairly red state, and he is one of the most popular governors in the US for a reason.

Democrats did really well in VA, NJ and CA in 05, ad I think we can keep it going in 06 and 08.

AUTOMATICALLY disqualify him from any consideration?

It didn't disqualify our last 3 candidates (Clinton, Gore & Kerry) :shrug:

Heck.. isn't your avator even DLC? :shrug:

Too subtle I guess :-)

Virginia has 13 electoral votes, I believe. That's little more than 1/3 of what we need.

Yes, taking VA would be nice, but we should consider who the best candidate is first. We need to run a national campaign and should not try to cherry-pick the presidency by focusing on one particular state.

Nevada, Montana, Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico, West Virginia...are all states that President Clinton won and with the right candidate we could win Virginia, Northern Virginia is getting rather blue, and it has a large population.

then VA's 13 would go a long way to closing the gap. -13 for rePubes, +13 for Dems = net gain of 26. Only 10 more to go. Of the states you listed, I would say WV & Iowa would be a near lock for Warner. Colorado, NM, and maybe NV would be leaners, and Montana...well that would be a tough sell unless Warner spent some time there and ran a strong, progressive campaign a la Schweitzer. Montana is ready to go blue...they just dont know it yet ;) We need to give them some good, rough-and-tough candidates that libertarian westerners can support. Tester (vs. Burns for Senate) comes to mind...

edit - And no, JT, you're not chopped liver ... We love ya brother!

Well, if we got Virginia, then we'd get the 36 if we got Iowa and West Virginia.

If there were any justice, Junior's made such a TOTAL mess...in 2008 we should win every damn state except Utah, Idaho, Kansas and Oklahoma.

:hug:

as soon as i posted that i was thinking to myself "wait dude....do you KNOW JT is a guy? oh well...too late now"

Anyway, big hugs all around :hug:

Gives us the magic number of 270, provided we held all of Kerry's states, which is admittedly not as simple as it sounds given close finishes in Wisconsin and New Hampshire, etc.

The 36 is the margin we lost by, 288-252. That's why Virginia is so critical and why both sides know it. We couldn't win Ohio even in a year with a horrendous state economy. That state really isn't trending blue it's just short term close to even partisanship with the nation due to local problems. But Virginia displays a distinct move in our favor of maybe 2 points per cycle due to changes in Northern Virginia. A Warner nomination suddenly makes Virginia a probable blue takeover in 2008, meaning the margin for error tilts dramatically in our favor, requiring just 5 electoral votes to win. They can come from any ONE of these states -- Iowa, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado.

California going to Diebold. Snooze. We heard that about Maryland last year. Now DUers like to forget that was ever mentioned.

that if Mark Warner is the Democratic nominee, the only Republican presidential candidate that could beat him in Virginia is George Allen.

A candidate like John McCain seems like the only one that could absorb the loss of Virginia and go on to win the presidency, and even that would be questionable.

In this environment, if we can pick off VA, we win the WH.

Warner would whack Allen upside his hollow Californian head! God knows how he got elected in the first place, but I garuantee you Warner would mop the floor with him.

"In this environment, if we can pick off VA, we win the WH."

Thats the truth. The only states that Kerry took that might go back are Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and possibly (POSSIBLY) Pennsylvania, though I highly doubt that last one. Santorum is out on his ass in 2006 and that should bode well for the Dem contender in 2008. As such, its way to early to guess who the candidate for EITHER party will be. Lets focus on taking back the Congress in 2006.

Having said that, if Warner were to be the nominee (or even on the ticket as VP) - never misunderstimate full force of the Virginia repub machine. They practically have a license to print money in this state, and they would go all out to wreck that train.

Nevertheless, I'd really like to see him in the major league!!

VA is 13 + NM(5) = Democratic President.

"Virginia Gov. Mark Warner appears to have wrapped up South Carolina's 2008 Democratic presidential primary more than two years before voters will go to the polls and after only his second visit.

Not to mention, Warner hasn't even officially entered the race yet.

But the reception at a state party fundraiser Wednesday night was overwhelmingly supportive of the lame-duck governor, whose political stardom is on the rise after he led his party to victory in Virginia's recent gubernatorial election.

Political observers consider him one of the Democratic front- runners for the White House if he chooses to run."

continued: http://www.charleston.net/stories/?newsID=57701§ion=localnews

It's Edwards original home state and he even beat Kerry last time in SC, during the last primaries.

Warner grew up in CT, so he wont pick off every Southern state as easily as some think.

Who is that president that came form CA? Reagan, Yeah him. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Warner has been to CA and it was freezing cold for him on the $ front and his "third way" rhetoric. The DLC mayor of LA was CRUSHED by a Progressive Liberal, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and the new very Liberal Mayor of San Francisco is not lover of third way DLC rhetoric. Even San Diego is experiencing a bit of a shift.

Do not underestimate us Californians when it comes to voting. We love to give BIG Money $$$$$$ and 55 electoral votes to candidates we LOVE!

After all, thats what we're discussing in this thread -- presidential poltics. :freak:

When Reagan carried CA it wasnt exactly the dem-stronghold it is today (The republicans carried CA on the presidential level from 1952-1984). Arnie was elected on Davis' failures. The only way the Republicans will carry CA in 2008 is if they win the PV in a complete landslide (at least 55-45). You should really know all of this considering you live in CA.

Bill Clinton was as DLC as they come and he carried CA easily. Same with Gore. I dont care if the Democratic nominee in 2008 is Kucinich, Vilsack, Bayh, Biden, Warner, Clark... No way we lose CA, period.

Schwarzenegger is a symptom of it and a very good example of why the GOP was so hopeful for PRESIDENTIAL politics when he was elected. Personality wins here - big - and if a republican can make the case, well the proof is in the pudding.

Leftover milquetoast won't cut it here! (Ask DLC's Gray Davis how it worked out for him...) In light of our voting history, Californians are known to vote for candidate's they identify with personally.

Clinton had the charm, charisma and ability to connect with minority and Liberal voters. He also did not wear the DLC like a lucky charm bracelet either, unlike the current crop of presidential aspirants who use his name. They need money and invoking Clinton is not going to get it to happen. The Clinton legacy transfers to one candidate - Hillary. She is the CA presidential frontrunner in the monetary sweepstakes for now ...until someone on the Left arises and then watch the money pour forth elsewhere. California is very blue, but not stupid - middle of the road is not our style.