Why is Mary Matalin saying Dean will not be party chair by mid-terms?

She just repeated it twice on CNN's THE SITUATION ROOM, rather confidently I might add. Is it wishful thinking, insider information, or she is just trying to cause trouble?

Either that or her husband has informed her that the DLC plans to take him out.

:shrug:

not the DLC shills who ran everyone they could think of against him! The DLC lost and they still are crying in their teacups.

I've read some of his little of one of his books and he seems pretty liberal. IS that just me, or has he some alliance with them I never heard about?

Oh yeah, and why does Mary Matalin use her maiden name? I wonder if it's jsut so that less people know they're married? :shrug:

Always has been, always will be. The beltway insider's beltway insider.

want to have nothing to do with Howard Dean. I say viva howard dean!

...that's all the worthless so-and-so can do.

opposition. Sheer calculated psy-ops:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2301098#2301120

a HUGE grain of salt.!

He can't run as long as he is DNC chair.

just askin'

:shrug:

If I were the DLC I'd make sure he kept it.

we all know how well her husband managed the 04 elections, no one could have improved on the
Dems campaign (sarcasm).

DAMN well knew that Rove and Libby outed Plame, but he didn't think to inform the American people for the entire year BEFORE THE ELECTION???

Carville let Rove off scot-free and then praised him in TIME magazine.

on the issue of "winning" in Iraq, I'd be happy to see him go. Unfortunately, he'd probably be replaced with a bigger dimwit. God, I'm disgusted!

In fact it is here.

www.cnn.com/video

You need to watch that video again..Dean did not retreat a micrometer..in fact he charged the retreaters!

The very first words out of Dean's mouth were, "We can and have to win war on terror." That was his first mistake because he gave in to the premise that the Repugs have set up. (If you have not yet read William Rivers Pitt's article on this subject, please do: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/120805Y.shtml. Later in the interview, Dean was asked by Miles O'Brien if we can win the war in Iraq, and Dean replied, "We can only win the war -- which we have to win -- if we change our strategy dramatically." In other words, he not only succumbed to the Repug premise that "win the war" is not an oxymoron, but he tacitly bought into the Repug premise that the war on terror and the war in Iraq are one and the same. In the rest of the interview, he basically said, "The American people should trust us to win this war because our plan is better than their plan, and we are the good guys, so vote for us because good guys are better than bad guys, and the bad guys don't really have a plan, and we do because we are good, so vote for us." That may have looked to ultra-partisan Democrats, but to most Americans it looks like a weasely politician trying to worm his way out of something he wishes he had not said. What he should have said is this: "George W. Bush said himself that we cannot win this war. (I know he said that later, but that should have been his lead-off.) Now, that he has gotten us mired in this debacle and cost this country the lives of more than 2100 honorable Americans, not to mention billions of dollars that could have been better spent helping Americans pay their health care bills and pay for gasoline and rebuild their communities destroyed by natural disasters, now he wants to flip-flop and say that we CAN win this war. Well, I say that he was right the first time. George W. Bush was advised by experts in the State Department three years ago that we could not win a war in Iraq. Colin Powell told him that 'if he broke it, he'd own it (the so-called Pottery Barn analogy),' and that is exactly what happened. Now he is trying to piece back together a piece of pottery that is broken into a thousand pieces, and he is telling the American people, 'we can win this.' George W. Bush conned the American people into this war, and he is now trying to con his way out of it."
That is what Dean should have said this morning.

not yours..and he did Brilliantly.

today, after he was scolded by other Democrats, he back-pedaled and said what they wanted him to say. It wasn't brilliant; it was pathetic. He had it right yesterday, and he should have stuck to his guns.

Dean was great!

What's pathetic are the lies that are being perpetuated on Iraq..Dean is telling the truth.

leave Iraq.

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Keep telling it like it is, Howard. Bush lost this war. It's over. GET OUT NOW!

really who could care what a habitual lier has to say? go back to your hole in the wall mary...

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I would say that the small $$ donations which really add up will be gone and I will once again jump happily on the Dean for President bandwagon for '08.

mediawhore..you do the math.

absolutely nothing. It means no more than that the negative point being made is complete bs. But we know that anyway. Let's put it this way... if she's right, it'll be a most uncharacteristic turn-up for the books!

Remember the.."Oooh don't get your hopes up about indictments...!!!! It's very unlikely there'll be any. They've got control of everything, you know. Do the sensible thing, give up while you're behind!"

Anyway isn't Matalan under investigation by Fitz?

during the campaign. I blieve this is good. If anyone in the Dem Party plans to kick him out it means we're going backwards.

... he's set his work in motion, and now he can run for the 2008 nomination and save us from the lackluster (mostly) options we have presently.

And she thinks that they control things. They don't.

probably heard of a plot to remove him.

Just another lying neocon.

If I recall correctly, Mary Matalin does not have our best interests at heart. Why believe anything she says?

Howard Dean is the Republican Party's worst nightmare. He's also not going anywhere.

Julie

It's NEVER about truth with these liars. NEVER EVER!

they won't be getting "rid of Dean", will they?

she wishes they had a reason like that to get rid of him. she wishes it were back in the first 4 years when they were all riding high before they got busted for outing Valerie Plame, before Katrina, before bush's pushing for privatization of SS was Dead In The Water..back when they were selling the Nation on an Invasion of Iraq based on fraud and lies.

Matalin's comments about Dean are in bold...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/08/sitroom.01.html

BLITZER: Senator John Kerry is trying to keep the pressure on his 2004 presidential rival. In a speech today, Kerry came out swinging once again against President Bush's handling of the situation in Iraq and the war on terror.

Among other things, Kerry suggests the administration can and should withdraw at least 100,000 troops from Iraq over the next year, but not on a fixed or automatic timetable. Joining us now, a close ally of the White House, the former Bush adviser, former counselor to the vice president Dick Cheney, Mary Matalin.

Mary, thanks very much for joining us.

MARY MATALIN, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Merry Christmas, Wolf. Thanks for having me.

BLITZER: Thank you. Good to have you on the program. You probably saw the latest "New York Times" CBS Poll. They asked this question: Has the Bush administration clearly explained its goals in Iraq? Thirty-five percent say yes, 61 percent say no. Do you think the Bush administration has clearly explained its goals in Iraq?

MATALIN: I think the White House, the president, the vice president, the secretary of defense are clearly explaining the strategy that the president has had for a national security to defeat Islamo-fascism from the beginning now in great and glorious detail.

BLITZER: Let me interrupt you here for a second. They're doing it now but they haven't done it in the past? I'm listening carefully to the tense of your words because you're a very precise lady.

MATALIN: They have been doing it. But when are you laying out these long labyrinth detailed speeches, as the president's been doing for three years, and coming up against a single message that the Democrats have been putting out that has no policy behind it whatsoever, you have to deliver the message in a different way.

And what the president is saying very clearly, and the numbers are moving very quickly as people hear him over the cacophony of the Democrats with no policy, is there's progress on the three-pronged strategy in Iraq, on the political, the economic strategy, and most importantly on the security strategy.

And as they get the information, they understand it better, and they're making a decision that is a more positive one about Iraq, but in a bigger picture, on a national security strategy to defeat Islamo- fascists.

BLITZER: Listen to the Republican senator, though, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska. After the president's first speech, the first strategy for victory in Iraq speech, he said, according to the "Omaha World Herald," "I'm not sure the president laid out a strategy for victory."

Senator Hagel's a smart guy, a respected guy on the Hill. Why is he not convinced, as are so many other Americans, that there is no clear strategy?

MATALIN: Of course, there's a -- I mean, Senator Joe Lieberman is a smart guy who's actually been there. I don't know how much Chuck Hagel has been the ground, and I don't know much he talks...

BLITZER: He's been there several times.

MATALIN: Well, the generals who are on the ground and the soldiers who are on the ground and the Iraqis on the ground who are fighting these Islamo-fascists every single day are quite confident in their ability to succeed, and they're seeing the progress every day.

Look, there's 10,000 of these barbarians and butchers on the ground there, 10,000 of them, and there's 27 million Iraqis, and there's 160,000 coalition forces. It's just -- we're going to win. But it takes time to stand up a sophisticated professional security force. It takes time to make economic progress in a country that's been devastated by the tyrant Saddam, and it takes time to put in place a functioning, self-determined political structure.

BLITZER: This is an argument that Joe Lieberman wrote in "The Wall Street Journal," the argument you just made. There are 10,000 terrorists in Iraq, if you will, insurgents, 27 million Iraqis who are with the U.S. Why can't the 27 million Iraqis beat 10,000 insurgents or terrorists?

MATALIN: This is not some conventional warfare where the terrorists are just standing up there fighting. They're disguising themselves, they're blowing themselves up, they're killing children, they're killing women. You know, it's very difficult to get at combatants who are willing to just blow up innocent civilians.

But they're making progress every day. They've cleared and held large expanses of ground in Iraq, including Najaf and Mosul, as the president said yesterday, and including huge swaths in Baghdad. Eighty percent of the country is peaceful and getting more prosperous.

And their income is doubling. And it will grow to 17 percent, next year. I'm giving you statistics because you say, "Why don't people know?" Because every time you try to give details and specifics, I'm not saying to you, Wolf... BLITZER: But every time you do that, we see 30 people killed in a bus bombing here, 60 people killed there. The pictures, the images we're getting, are pretty horrific, as you well know, as someone who understands this kind of stuff.

But listen to what Howard Dean said here on "American Morning" on CNN earlier today. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DEAN: We believe that talking about the president's failed strategy in Iraq is not unpatriotic. It may undercut the president, but it does not undercut our troops. We're going to save their lives, and we're going to learn from the experience in Vietnam and not wait for five years with promises made for political reasons here at home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: If anything, Howard Dean has been very consistent over the past few years, including when he was running for president.

MATALIN: Howard Dean is in some form of denial. Let me make a New Year's prediction for you, Wolf. The Democrats are going to have to dump him as a party chairman. He can't do the two things a party chairman is required to do, which is to raise money or get the message out.

When you look at a country that has gone from tyranny to sovereignty to a transitional government, to a constitution, and next week is going to have the first self-determined elected government in the region, that is progress. He can be in denial, but who doesn't have a plan, doesn't have a policy, is the Democratic Party. And he's certainly not helping the Democratic Party, who are back-pedaling from their chairman faster than a (inaudible).

BLITZER: But Mary, you say that, in the most recent "Time" magazine poll, a majority of Americans seem to agree with Howard Dean. Should the U.S. set a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq? Fifty-eight say yes, 30 percent say no.

MATALIN: The Americans, as all of us of every party of any stripe, want to see our troops come home, but they want to see them come home victorious. The Democrats have an exit strategy with the express purpose of just exiting, no matter the conditions. The president's exit strategy is one that will be predicated on victory.

And victory is clearly defined by political progress, economic progress, and security progress, all of which is happening. All the generals on the ground, soldiers on the ground, Iraqis on the ground know it. Howard Dean does not know it. And Howard Dean will not be the party chairman of the Democratic Party by the midterm elections.

BLITZER: Mary Matalin predicting the Democrats will dump Howard Dean. We shall see, Mary. Thanks very much for joining us.

MATALIN: Merry Christmas. BLITZER: Thank you again. Mary Matalin, Merry Christmas to you, as well.

MATALIN: Thank you.

NoFederales

I'm sick of both of them. Just as I am of the husband and wife they rode in on.

NoFederales

...you know, like that "We'll be greeted in Iraq as liberators" thingy. And "the insurgents are in their final throes" comment. It's uncanny!

If he Is forched out as party chairman It will allow him to run for President In 2008. Which could
be Hilary,and the Republican's nightmare.

What was that about???

Maybe because the way his fellow propagandists over at FAUX are pushing the "War on Christmas" horseshit, Blitzer doesn't want to counter the "Kringle Uber Alles" mentality. HEIL SANTA!!!

She said it very distinctly, as if very purposefully. Surely she is aware that Wolf is Jewish.

for her part in outing Valerie Plame, and for her participation in the ILLEGAL White House Iraq Group???

"C'mon, girls. Beddy-bye. Let's go kiss Mommy's picture. We'll see her next month again, in the visiting room."

That bitch should be jailed along with Cowboy Scooter and the rest. Or maybe Cowboy Scooter would like to introduce Mary's little girls to some bears...

I don't think she would know the truth if it attacked her in the dark wearing boxing gloves.

She is doing the same kind of thing Karl Rove does. Spreads lies here there and everywhere, in the hope of stirring up conflict among the Democrats and perhaps to draw attention away from the ever more floundering Republicans.

:rofl: :woohoo: :applause: :popcorn: :patriot:

Mary's just watering and fertilizing the seeds of disunity in the Democratic Party. She should appear on TV with a watering can and a wheelbarrow full of horseshit.

Dean's grassroots support got him the DNC chair over the objections of the DLC. They know that the DLC is bitterly opposed to Dean and that anything they can do to keep that opposition alive prevents the Democrats from coming together on the issues.

Democrats should be smarter than to fall for this but unfortunately for some this intraparty squabble is more important than actually winning elections.

And full of horseshit when she's finished speaking.

If he’s still around for the mid-terms, he will hurt the Democratic Party.

For the Democrats, I mean.

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Are you suggesting that since I am unhappy with the damage being done by Dean, I should be banned?

If so, you are also suggesting 90% of the Democratic Party has to go.

What party are you a member of?

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It’s my cynicism with respect to government that means I have to go.

You are not very open minded, are you?

That's an effort to conceal the lies. She's full of it.

how else could she know?