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carrowsboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:30 PM
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Local Repuke calling for a boycott of Target (linked to France!!!)
This was in my local paper...

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15719196&BRD=2271&PAG=461&dept_id=462943&rfi=6

"Targeting kettle banners with a boycott

To the editor:

As you have probably heard Target Stores is once again banning Salvation Army bell ringers this Christmas season - part of a growing retail trend to keep Christ out of Christmas.
I can remember many years ago they would have a booth on the sidewalk on North Sycamore Street with their bell-ringers collecting money for the needy in Petersburg. If they were to do that today, I am positive the A.C.L.U. would fill the kettle up with their lawsuits.
I can say for sure there isn't a better organization in the world today than the Salvation Army. They help millions of people every year in all types of situations and circumstances. Just think of the many children who wouldn't have a Christmas if not for them.

Recently Dick Forrey, of the Vietnam Veterans Association, asked Target to be a proud sponsor of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall during their spring recognition event. He e-mailed Target U.S. Corporate Headquarters and their response was "Veterans do not meet our area of giving. We only donate to the arts, social action groups, gay & lesbian causes, and education."

Then he looked into the company further. They will not allow the Marines to collect for 'Toys for Tots' at any of their stores.

And during the recent Iraq deployment, they would not allow families of employees who were called up for active duty to continue their insurance coverage while they were on military service.

Then as he dug further, TARGET is a French-owned corporation. Now he's thinking if Target cannot support American Veterans, why should we support their stores by spending our hard-earned dollars and having their profits sent to France.

Without the American Vets, where would France be today? They  most likely would be speaking German and trading in Deutsch Marks. The day before Thanksgiving, the Center for Reclaiming America for Christ www. reclaimamerica.org launched a nationwide petition effort to demand that Target reverse its outrageous policy banning Salvation Army bell ringers. So far over 50,000 outraged citizens have signed. Help us to tell Target to "Keep CHRIST in Christmas"

Deo Gratias (Thanks to GOD)
Bob Kline
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:33 PM
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1. LOL This is an internet rumor that started a couple years ago
Target hdqts is in Minneapolis. Last time I checked, that was in MINNESOTA, not FRANCE.

The toys for tots story is a rumor too.

You need to write back and debunk this. It is too easy.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:34 PM
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4. Here - introduce this idiot to Snopes
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:33 PM
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2. email the editors with the snopes debunk and tell them SHAME!
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 03:34 PM by AZDemDist6
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:35 PM
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5. That surprises me too
Don't newspapers check this crap out before they print it?
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:34 PM
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3. I think old Bob Kline is a Wal Mart Manager
Target has bell ringers here in Maryland.

And since when is Target French?
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:35 PM
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6. I'm sure most of this guy's claims are false, and what does that
say about the newspaper that printed this?

What is your local paper known for--does it lean right, would you say?
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carrowsboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:40 PM
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8. I would say "tpis over" not "leans"
There are more ads for churches and Republican letters than actual news.

I'll start work immediately on a response.

The last letter I submitted was in response to this same guy copying and pasting an e-mail (that was also false) and claiming the work as his own.

He actually called my house looking for me 9luckily teh machine got it) and he was trying to explain how he knew it was an e-mail but no one cares where it comes from.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:46 PM
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10. You mean the guy who wrote the letter called your house? Or someone
at the newspaper?

Geesh! Churches and Republicans--nice combination.
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carrowsboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:26 PM
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17. my home
The writer called my home...guess he got my number from the phone book.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:11 PM
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23. Makes you wonder about someone who would do that...
...sort of like stalking.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:36 PM
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7. I think the "French Connection" was disproven
As far as the Salivation Army is concerned if a store kicks those assholes out they'll get my support.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:44 PM
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9. Snopes info on these old (not recent) claims:
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:47 PM
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11. Target is a big Republican contributor -- Let these bozos boycott.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:49 PM
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12. I emailed the
newspaper and asked if they bother to do a basic fact check before they print anything. Then I held my nose and went to www. reclaimamerica.org and emailed them about their Target boycott campaign.
My question to them was: "Isn't one of the 10 Commandments about bearing false witness?
If you want a boycott of Target at least rely on facts"
I doubt I'll get a response from either of them.
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tonkatoy57 Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:52 PM
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13. Oh Boy, That's Rich
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 03:55 PM by tonkatoy57
Headquarters:
1000 Nicollet Mall
Minneapolis, MN 55403-2467
United States
Tel: (612) 304-6073
Fax: (612) 761-5555

Web: www.targetcorp.com
Firm ID: 0004770
ABI #: 002937415
Firm Type: Public Company
idEXEC Code: 664(Retl-Departmnt Store)
Employees: 292000
Former Name 1: Dayton Hudson Corporation
Source: idEXEC
NAIC Code: 45211(Retl-Dept Stores)
SIC Code: 5311(Department Stores)
Sales: Over $15.0 Billion
Pension Size: $500-$750 Million
Year End: January
From the Target website:
"Target store team leaders play a key role in local grant programs because, we believe, they know their communities best. Most local grants average $1,000 to $3,000. If you are involved with a nonprofit program and would like to be considered for a Target grant, follow the steps below to get started.

Currently our grants focus on three areas: arts, family violence prevention and reading. "
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:53 PM
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14. BS - target's ad/promo color isn't
red by accident - target was one of steroid boy's biggest contributors during the 'special' election campaign. It's down to K-Mart & Costco for me.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:55 PM
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15. In your reply
You should take a shot at WalMart. Christians seem happy to support anything if they simply use the words "Merry Christmas."

WalMart buys 80% of its goods from China, taking away jobs from American manufacturers. In addition, COMMUNIST China, which has not tolerance for religious expression at all, will jail or shoot peasant workers who get a permit to work in the urban areas and then try to flee because of the horrible conditions in the plants, some of which are nothing more than slave camps. In addition, they still zealously FORCE women to undergo sterilization and abortions in order to control their population.

But, if you cloak it in some hypocritical faux Christian B.S., all is forgiven. As this country's largest retailer, REAL Christians would be boycotting WalMart, not Target.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:19 PM
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16. Hey no problem, Target is a big repuke contributor...
Let them cut off their nosed to spite their faces.
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carrowsboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:30 PM
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18. My response letter..
I know Target is big puke contributor, but I really loathe lazy, false writings/ideas. The media is so full of lies, I kind of feel like I have a responsibility to add some truth. Anyways, here we go:

"I'd like to submit a response regarding the December 8th letter from Bob Kline calling for a boycott of Target. Once again Mr. Kline is easily proven wrong as his claims have well been defunct by our friends at Snopes. com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp.

Mr. Kline provides quite a list claiming Target is out to "keep Christ out of Christmas" because they do not allow Salvation Army bell ringers to solicit on their property? Say what?!? I must have missed the part where the Lord came back to Earth and blessed the Salvation Army, an organization that has a bit of history with enacting discriminatory practices.

Mr. Kline further explains that a Mr. Dick Forrey of the Vietnam Veterans Association, had requested Target to be a sponsor of the Memorial Wall during a "spring recognition event." This gentleman then received an e-mail form Target stating that "Veterans do not meet our area of giving. We only donate to the arts, social action groups, gay & lesbian causes, and education."

FALSE. Dick Forrey, a member of the Indiana-based Howard County Vietnam Veterans organization, rashly penned the above message in March 2002 after failing to secure a $100 sponsorship for a traveling Vietnam Veterans' Memorial Wall exhibit from his local Target store. Mr. Forrey was rebuffed, because Target does not give out cash donations through local stores; they donate money only at the corporate level, and only through grants to organizations falling within their defined general areas of giving. Mr. Forrey has since apologized for his mistake and issued a retraction. Perhaps Mr. Kline should heed Mr. Forrey's own words, " I made a mistake on this one, and I've learned a hard lesson — that's for sure. What started out as a message for the members in our organization has turned into a hate-type thing. I never wanted to start any national boycott. I just wish it would all stop. Some people have used my words and perpetuated lies. It's sad that some of these people would use veterans as a way to push their own political views. I've sent out a retraction, and no one pays any attention."

I'd also like to address the later point that Target funds only "only donate to the arts, social action groups, gay & lesbian causes, and education."

FALSE. After the anti-Target message first began to circulate, several other claims have been tacked onto it by those seeking to make Target look bad: that Target responds to charitable requests by stating they only support 'gay and lesbian causes,' that Target is French-owned, and that Target does not contribute to the Toys for Tots program sponsored by the U.S. Marine Corps, and that Target refused to allow reservist employees who had been activated to continue their health benefits.

1. Target's stated policy is that they provide grants at the corporate level for programs involving the arts, education, and family violence prevention, and donates at the local level to a variety of charitable causes. The line about Target's responding to inquiries by stating that they provide corporate grants only for 'gay and lesbian causes' is a falsity added to later versions of the message.

2. The Target Corporation is a publicly held U.S. firm which has been based in Minneapolis, Minnesota, since it began as the Dayton Dry Goods Company in 1902. Target is not now, nor has it ever been, foreign-owned.

3. Although Target stores do not directly participate in the in-store collection of toys for the Toys for Tots charity sponsored by the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, the Target Corporation contributes to that charity by providing discounts to groups who buy toys for it.

4. Target Corporation has been recognized by the National Committee for Employer Support of the National Guard and Reserve (ESGR) as an "Outstanding Employer" which has "gone above and beyond the requirements of the law in support of their National Guard and Reserve employees." Target employees who are activated for military service and were participating in optional dependent coverage at the time of their deployment are eligible to continue these benefits if they so choose. Target Corporation also allows any Target team member to continue benefits as provided by the 1986 Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA).

Since these lies have now been proven false, I think the truly frightening part is how such a letter that oozes homophobia and blind nationalism can be so readily believed! Mr. Kline asks us "without the American Vets, where would France be today?" History can be a selective medium, but Mr. Kline, where would be without the assistance of the French? Still bowing to a monarchy and trading in pounds and quids most likely. And if Target chooses to support gay and lesbian causes (i.e., equal rights) then so be it. Would you also object to their support of the NAACP or the Anti-defamation League?

Lastly, a big deal is being made of how retail stores are trying to remove Christ from Christmas. In my opinion, perhaps it is the rabid Christians who are in fact succeeding in this feat. The spreading of hatred against certain groups of people, attacking those with different opinions than your own and marginalizing the "minority" tend to be a bit of a turn off. I thought you were supposed to be leading people to God, not driving them away?"
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:33 PM
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20. don't forget to add that Target is an all American CO and not "French"
what a load of crap that letter was!
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:32 PM
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19. It's been debunked already
even by Mr. Forrey the Viet vet himself, but the editorial page of this rag gave it so much space without first checking the facts, and doubtful a factual rebuttal will be offered.
The Taliban played the trifecta on this one.......Anti Chistmas, Anti Viet Nam Veteran, and France bashing all rolled up into one.
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carrowsboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:39 PM
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21. don't forget...
gay baiting
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:53 PM
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22. Tell Mr. Kline to educate himself:
The Target Corporation does not contribute to veterans' causes: False.

The Target Corporation is French-owned: False.

The Target Corporation provides corporate grants only for 'gay and lesbian causes': False.

The Target Corporation does not contribute to the U.S. Marines 'Toys for Tots' program: False.

The Target Corporation does not allow reservists called to active duty to continue their health benefits: False.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:18 PM
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24. But...but..I've been pronouncing it tar-ZHAY all these years...
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