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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 10:52 AM
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Could Repubs get their "permanent majority" by using Dems?
After the 2004 elections, I think it was Cheney who said that the Republicans would have a "permanent majority". I've thought of different ways they could do that. I'm no Karl Rove, and I usually don't wear tin foil, but is it possible that the DLC could be complicit? I know it sounds outrageous, but couldn't a permanent Republican "majority" be made up of Republicans and Democrats who think like them? The recent rumor about Joe Lieberman really made me start thinking in conspiracy mode. During the past five years, we've seen outrageous bills pass in the House and Senate by huge majorities with many Democratic votes. Have I been reading online too much, or is this a possibility?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:02 AM
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1. The GOP has had a working majority most of my life - The "Southern
Dems" were crossing to the GOP in the 40's and 50's and 60's, etc.

We have had control - real working control - very rarely.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:47 AM
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8. Southern Democrats are past.
The problem now is dealing with the DLC/Blue Dogs.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 10:07 PM
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11. True
:-(
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Nomen Tuum Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:03 AM
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2. Republicans have used Democrats for years.
This is nothing new.

Even back in the Great Depression, Democrats were used this way--William Jennings Bryan Jr stumped California in 1934 to defeat Upton Sinclair.

Manchester Boddy did the same thing in 1950 to stop Helen Gahagan Douglas from getting elected to the Senate. And who was one of the big backers of Nixon that year? One Joseph Kennedy...

Remember George Wallace and his "Law and Order" campaigns that split the Democratic Party and elected Nixon and Reagan?

Remember Eugene Mc Carthy endorsing Reagan in 1980?

Ray Flynn backing Bush because he opposes abortion?

I lived in Western Pa in the early 80s, when the steel mills shut down and people's lives were ruined. They STILL voted Republican to stop abortion. They voted for politicians who stabbed them in the back like Atkinson, Thornburgh and Santorum because it was more important to stop abortion than having a job.

Liberman is just the latest in a long line of these traitors.




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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:30 AM
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6. So it would be, they fight using wedge issues, where we aren't
organized enough to have any issues.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:48 AM
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9. McCarthy endorsed Reagan.....
Edited on Sun Dec-11-05 11:53 AM by AX10
sad.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:03 AM
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3. A lot of the Democratic votes
are out of fear of losing their seats in their next elections. Also, there already are "Democrats" in Bush's coalition - Dixiecrats/DINOs who haven't voted Democrat in at least 25 years.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:06 AM
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4. The question is...
Are they really Democrats or controlled by the Republican Party? Could they be using the Democrat label as camouflage?
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:12 AM
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5. Whether they consider themselves Dems or know themselves as
closet Repubs, the effect on the rest of us is the same. We starve, we die after hurricanes, we lose our houses and jobs, etc.
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:30 AM
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7. Maybe instead of classifying politicians as either Dems and Repugs...
we should classify them as corporatists and non-corporatists.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:20 PM
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10. Of course
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