i had surgery on friday so i've been away from the discussion

catmother

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Sun Dec-11-05 04:03 PM
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i had surgery on friday so i've been away from the discussion

boards. i caught the chris matthews show last night and they were talking about the repubs running guilliani or mcCain in 08. anyone catch this or post it? i think guilliani could be trouble for dems because he's a moderate. i would hope that people would realize that McCain is nuts.

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PDJane

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Sun Dec-11-05 04:25 PM
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1. Guiliani is a moderate???

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catmother

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Sun Dec-11-05 04:54 PM
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4. well i think they call him "moderate" because he's pro-choice.n/t

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nickshepDEM

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Sun Dec-11-05 10:53 PM
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9. Well, on social issues he's pretty liberal.

Pro-gay rights, pro-choice (no problems with late term), anti-gun.

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snowbear

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Sun Dec-11-05 11:00 PM
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12. VERY moderate.. actually probably left of moderate..

Why? :shrug: ...you don't think so?

Look at his past.

OHhh geez, come to think of it... maybe you'd better not look back at it!

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Nite Owl

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Sun Dec-11-05 04:29 PM
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2. Hope you are feeling well

Would the right wing ever consider voting for Ghouliani? McCain might try a run but somehow I don't think the repuke base would nominate him.

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catmother

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Sun Dec-11-05 04:57 PM
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5. thanks for the good wishes. glad i'm back on the boards. no,

i don't think the right wing would, but maybe there are more moderate repubs that we don't here about. a lot of people liked his leadership after 911.

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jbnow

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Sun Dec-11-05 10:54 PM
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10. That was the point his guests made

Their polls showed either would beat Hillary, but they aren't going to get nominated.

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Contrary1

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Sun Dec-11-05 04:40 PM
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3. Rudy comes with a lot of personal baggage...

don't know if the Fundies could handle it or not. Of course, the Dems
would have to be willing to play at the Puke level to gain much from it.

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catmother

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Sun Dec-11-05 04:58 PM
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6. yeah. he's a practising catholic but i think he's been married 3

times -- heard one was annuled.

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AZBlue

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Sun Dec-11-05 10:52 PM
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8. And he had his mistress (now his 3rd wife) playing house in the Gov

mansion before his divorce went through. That was after he had to move out of the Gov. mansion for a while after his wife found out about said mistress - so the Gov's wife was living in the mansion while the Gov lived with two gay guys. Not exactly the GOP poster boy.

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catmother

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Sun Dec-11-05 11:27 PM
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15. yeah. i remember that. we at least he's not homophobic. n/t

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AZBlue

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Mon Dec-12-05 05:30 PM
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20. No and I think that's another reason he's labeled moderate.

And I goofed in my post - he was mayor, not governor! LOL - that's what I get for posting when I'm sleepy!!

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catmother

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Mon Dec-12-05 06:57 PM
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23. yes. he was mayor after i left new york. i moved to phoenix

late 1989 just when koch was finishing his term.

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AZBlue

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Mon Dec-12-05 08:12 PM
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24. Totally off-subject

but don't you miss NY?! I do!!!!

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catmother

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Mon Dec-12-05 08:37 PM
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26. no. i have never even been back to visit in 16 years. at first

i missed the food, chinatown, little italy, etc. but we've found some good places here. how long have you been here and where did you live? i lived in forest hills.

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AZBlue

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Sun Dec-11-05 10:49 PM
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7. Hope you're recovering well!!

I used to think Guilliani could be trouble, but now I think too many people put him in the same category as McCain: not having enough integrity and backbone to say "no" to kissing Bush's hiney. I think Guilliani's role in the '04 Rep Convention did him in.

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catmother

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Sun Dec-11-05 11:32 PM
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17. thank you my fellow arizonan. i don't know about comparing

him to mccain. mccain is much more conservative. i don't trust mccain. i heard he has a very bad temper -- that he got so angry at a meeting that he passed out. can you imagine him with his finger on the button?

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AZBlue

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Mon Dec-12-05 05:33 PM
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21. Oh my gosh, I never heard that story - that's scary!

I can believe it - I've also heard he's got a bad temper.

He is definitely more conservative but sometimes I hear him referred to as moderate too (which personally seems odd to me). Maybe he's pro-choice as well? I guess it could just be his anti-torture stance. Or is it just because he's worked with Dems on different issues (the one thing about him that I do applaud)?

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catmother

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Mon Dec-12-05 06:55 PM
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22. he's not pro-choice. he believes abortion should only be

performed to save the mother's life. but he said that some doctors might just say that so they could perform the abortion. he also referred to the vietnamese as "gooks" and then apologized. i was fooled by him for a while too.

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AZBlue

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Mon Dec-12-05 08:14 PM
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25. I'm absolutely horrified!!!

Luckily it seems that not only do Arizonans see through McCain, but many in the US do too!

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nickshepDEM

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Sun Dec-11-05 10:56 PM
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11. Rudy would be tough because he's hard to attack.

A lot of people in this country hold a great deal of respect for Rudy because of his leadership after 9/11. He has a ton of personal baggage, but its hard to attack someone who is so well respected. It could easily backfire. Rudy's problem lies more with the conservative base. I find it very hard to believe that Bush and Rove's 3 million or so evangelicals would turnout for a pro-choice, pro-abortion, anti-gun, northeastern moderate republican.

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catmother

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Sun Dec-11-05 11:38 PM
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19. i'm from new york although i left before rudy became mayor. i

never cared for him but i must admit that i changed after 9/11. i have a certain amount of respect for him even with his baggage.

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Crunchy Frog

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Sun Dec-11-05 11:00 PM
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13. I honestly can't see them running an adulterer

who tried to move his mistress into the mayor's mansion that he was sharing with his wife and children, after what they did to Bill Clinton. I realize that they're hypocrites, but I just think that's pushing it a little far, even for them.

I don't really see McCain getting it either. For whatever reason, the Repub base seems to hate him at least as much as we do, and maybe more.

I think they will run some fairly conventional right wing whacko who they can paint as enough of a moderate to fool enough of the people who don't pay attention into voting for him. It's not going to be either Giuliani or McCain IMO.

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snowbear

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Sun Dec-11-05 11:02 PM
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14. I agree... I don't think he'll run either..

And if it's coming from Chris Matthews.. well... that's all I need to know. http://eliteleague.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/lol!.gif

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snowbear

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Sun Dec-11-05 11:30 PM
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16. Catmom.. hope you're feeling better !!

And hope you're getting plenty of rest :hug:

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catmother

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Sun Dec-11-05 11:36 PM
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18. thank you. my cats have been giving me healing energy.

i'm trying to rest but it's hard for me. the first 2 days i did -- i was groggy from anaethesia and pain pills. my husband keeps saying "will you get back in bed, i'll get you what you need".

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