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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:39 PM
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Do you know who this woman is? (PHOTO)
She is so sexy and seductive -- but beware! You may not know the whole story! One author used the photo and some other information to create a whole persona for her!

Can you guess?

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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:41 PM
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1. I would guess Rove's former assistant Ralston - and I know I am wrong
but hey I guessed.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:12 PM
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19. CLUE: She is political, but not in this administration... n/t
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:23 AM
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87. It's Brabara Boxer.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:44 PM
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2. Michelle Malkin?


The far-right media machine perceives Mann Coulter as aging, so has been bringing this new bimbetter along.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:13 PM
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20. CLUE: Not Michelle, and doesn't have a radio show...
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:45 PM
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3. This lady has a radio show. I can't remember her name though.
Right-wing nut.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:14 PM
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21. CLUE: Not an American. No radio show. Guess again!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:41 AM
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84. Too funny. I thought you meant the BW photo but it's you!
Do you have a radio show? Are you a right wing nut?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:57 PM
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89. Yes, I have an audio show at a public broadcasting station in Oregon.
I guess I'm a liberal, but not a wing nut of any kind! I'll PM you the details. Thanks for inquiring.
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didntvote4shrub Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:46 PM
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4. Karen Hughes?
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:50 PM
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8. No, we ALL know Karen Hughes is really a redneck truck driver called
Burl Hughes...she ain't a Karen...he's Burl.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:16 PM
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22. OT: "Transamerica" with Felicity Huffman in her outstanding role as
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 11:17 PM by Radio_Lady
"a man called Stan" transitioning into "a gal called Sabrina (BREE)." Best female performance of the year, in my humble opinion.

But this is off topic.

It isn't Karen Hughes.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:47 PM
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5. Not politically oriented
but she looks like a young Victoria Principal to me. I have no idea who else it might be. Perhaps it's a composite shot of several different women, made to look like a real one?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:18 PM
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23. Well, she is politically related and at the end, I will divulge who she is
but it isn't Victoria and it isn't a montage.

Sorry.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:48 PM
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6. 'Um, is it the one where the author is a MAN and he created
A thing where he was pretending that he was THAT woman? Or something like that?

I remember hearing something about that some weeks ago.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:21 PM
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24. Nope. This is a real woman's picture -- it's on the Internet.
Doubt you would find it, 'though, without knowing her name or background.

PS. Don't feel bad. I just learned about this a few days ago myself.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:48 PM
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7. Watching this... n/t
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:21 PM
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25. OK. Keep watching... need another clue?
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:50 PM
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9. Bea Arthur
nt
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:23 PM
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27. CLUE: Not an American, not an actress.
Sorry.
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:51 PM
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10. Haven't a clue!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:29 PM
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30. CLUE: She is the daughter of someone mostly unknown in this country.
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CelticWinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:54 PM
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11. just guessing
and I hate to say this so I will hurl as I do lol......is it pickles?
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:58 PM
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12. Kinda looks like Bobby's wife from Dallas.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:33 PM
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35. CLUE: She lives in a country far away -- starts with letter "U" --
and it's not a fairy tale, so don't go down the literature route.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:30 PM
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32. Check upthread. No relation to this U.S. administration.
Sorry.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:58 PM
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13. She's a computer generated...
..."spokesmodel"...
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:32 PM
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34. No, no, no -- not in the movies, not computer generated.
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 11:37 PM by Radio_Lady
You're probably thinking of the movie "S1M0NE"... good guess, but incorrect.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:58 PM
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14. Is Al Pacino her agent?
:silly:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:36 PM
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36. Are you thinking of the movie S1M0NE with Al Pacino --
That's not right. (Good guess, 'though...)

http://www.us.imdb.com/title/tt0258153/combined
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:02 PM
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15. I think she has Catherine Zeta-Jones eyes and cheeks. n/t
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:39 PM
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42. CLUE: Her first name begins with a "G" --
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:04 PM
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16. Guess Who????????
TOKEO ROSE!!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:40 PM
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43. CLUE: Not Japanese. Not American. Not Tokyo Rose.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:06 PM
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17. The result of incest between Donnie and Marie Osmond
n/t
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:41 PM
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45. That's pretty sick, and it's wrong.
Sorry.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:08 PM
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18. Please. Who is it? I have no idea
and this will drive me nuts until I know.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:49 PM
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50. Drive you nuts, huh? Walnuts, hazelnuts, peanuts? (Sorry...)
I'll be mindful that it's almost MIDNIGHT on the East Coast... and hope it won't cause you insomnia... you'll be fine...
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:22 PM
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26. That's a MAN, baby!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:00 AM
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59. Not transexual, not transgendered, not transvestite -- a woman.
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phaseolus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:24 PM
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28. I dunno, but the woman in the b+w pic is gorgeous
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 11:27 PM by phaseolus
:D

on edit -- back to the woman in the first pic, with the vaguely asian features I'll guess she's from Russia or one of the 'stans...?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:43 PM
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46. Well, I didn't mean to confuse you, but the b+w is ME -- thanks for
the compliment! :blushes:

Yes, you're getting warm with your last comment... "one of the 'stans" ...
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:28 PM
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29. Is it Radio Lady?
opps wrong photo.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:45 PM
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47. CLUE: Refers to TOP COLORED PHOTO, not sig photo of me.
Your "Oops" is accepted.
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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:29 PM
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31. I'm dying to know . . . n/t
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:57 PM
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54. Please, don't die on me -- then you'd be part of the
"Dead Poets' Society" -- sorry for being jocular.

OT: I've seen three movies in two days, and tomorrow they're cleaning the windows in my house. :wretching:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:31 PM
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33. I'm waiteeeng. Who is she?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:36 PM
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37. Some one from Ukraine? Uzbekistan?
She looks as if she comes from that part of the world.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:47 PM
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48. CLUE: She is from Uzbekistan. But what in the heck do Americans
know about Uzbekistan? Or its politics? I don't know much... do you?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:55 PM
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53. There's only one thing. She's gotta be an olympic gymnast!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:58 PM
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55. A good guess, but wrong.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:59 PM
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57. Is it olympic something?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:04 AM
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64. Guessing is over. I'm preparing to reveal who she is...
and how she has impacted an American writer who researched this woman on the Internet.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:08 AM
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69. Yes, it's a Central Asian nation inhabited by a Turkic people who
practice Islam, although Genghis Khan's Mongol hordes came through there, so a lot of people have an East Asian look. Their current government is extremely repressive, notorious for torturing political opponents. The U.S. has troops there, and Bush considers them an "ally."

(I'm up on my former Soviet Republics because I used to sing for a dance troupe that specialized in dance from around the world, and Central Asia was one of their featured regions.)
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:20 AM
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78. I'm totally impressed. If you Google her name under Images,
there's another photo of her.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:36 PM
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38. It better not be Linda Tripp!!
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:38 PM
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40. No way. n/t
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:55 PM
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52. CLUE: Here's the woman herself -- read about her (if you can...)
www.compromat.ru/main/karimov/gulnara.htm

Oh, wrong language.

Sorry.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #52
63. coca-cola, Pepsi-co
Гульнара Каримова
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #63
68. Oh, wow, I'm impressed. Do you know this lady?
Frankly, I can't read the article and wonder how you happen to know even this?
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:09 AM
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71. Look at the article again. ;)
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:37 PM
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39. Now you're being cruel
please tell us. I hate not knowing.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #39
56. CLUE: Her last name begins with "K" --
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:38 PM
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41. Maria Heller?
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 11:42 PM by dweller
just guessing

dp

edit ... missed the 'G' clue
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:59 PM
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58. CLUE: First name begins with "G" -- last name with "K"
Who is Maria Heller????
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:07 AM
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66. well, she's not
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 12:10 AM by dweller
Gulnara Karimova
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulnara_Karimova


couldn't find a photo that i had seen of Maria Heller, so was working from faulty memory.

dp
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:09 AM
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72. Yes, she is. That is Gulnara Karimov -- not sure if the final "a" is
necessary.

Do you know something about her, or just the name? (I know that "properties" of the web site I posted did reveal that name, but I'm almost at the end of this evening, and this little cat-and-mouse game.)
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:12 AM
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74. no, i meant
maria wasn't gulnara ... and yes, you did reveal the answer in your link upthread.

sorry if i spoiled it.
dp
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:23 AM
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79. No problem.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:41 PM
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44. She has some big ugly hands. n/t
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:01 AM
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60. Tell that to her parents or the photographer, not me...
:sarcasm:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:48 PM
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49. Don't tell us until we guess! There's something about her jewelry!!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:02 AM
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61. CLUE: Jewelry and gymnastics have nothing to do with it.
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ThingsGottaChange Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:53 PM
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51. A princess?
Don't know the country. But, is she very high up in the running of the government?

Do I have any idea what I'm talking about?!?!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:03 AM
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62. Not exactly -- she has been described in various ways, but she
isn't a princess...

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:06 AM
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65. All through with your guesses?
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CelticWinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:07 AM
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67. Do tell----
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:08 AM
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70. No, I think it's something to do with Will Pitt!!
You said she impacted an American writer, and right now he's the only American writer I can think of!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:15 AM
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75. The author is Greg Rucka, and his new book "Private Wars" --
He is a Portland author who became fascinated with the politics in Uzbekistan, and wrote a book with some fearsome fictional characters. One of them was patterned after this woman. Here's what he says as part of an October 2005 article:

From http://www.bookreporter.com/authors/au-rucka-greg.asp

BookReporter.C: Much of PRIVATE WARS is set in Uzbekistan, which provides an interesting backdrop for the novel. It is one of the areas of the world that gets few headlines, yet it is of utmost strategic importance for several countries, including the United States. How did you come to choose Uzbekistan as a setting for PRIVATE WARS? Have you traveled to the locations featured in the novel?

GR: PRIVATE WARS actually started with a photograph I saw of the current Uzbeki president's daughter, Gulnara Karimov. There's not a whole lot of information out there about her, but what little I managed to read got the wheels spinning, and the novel spilled forth from there. She's a fascinating character, and frankly, more than a little terrifying.

(More at link.)



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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:18 AM
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76. Here's more in English
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:10 AM
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73. I THINK the Russian says that she's the daughter of the president
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 12:17 AM by Lydia Leftcoast
of Uzbekistan.

Whoever she is, her name is Gul'nara Karimova.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:19 AM
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77. Very good, Lydia -- she was used by a local Portland author to
fashion his fictional story. A picture is worth more than a thousand words in this case.

See later links for discussion.

By the way, this book has no relationship to the film of the same name.

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/06/0EF1AE22-9C55-49D2-9856-D46C4A8FBA8B.html
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:23 AM
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80. Here's the English translation of that article you gave us a link to
Not the best translation, but better than nothing.........

"To gul'naru - into the Presidents © "stringer", January 2002, "the children of the Presidents. Uzbekistan ", The photos: "faces" the matters.

Karimov, chosen on the new period during January 2000, thus far does not intend to depart Islam to the resignation. Nevertheless, following Russian saying "prepare sleighs in summer", he already attended to by the selection of successor. It is more accurate, by successor. Since the discussion deals with its daughter - Gul'nare, which not novice in the policy, with 1997- GO of year it occupies the post of adviser on political questions of the Minister of Foreign Affairs.

Ten years ago of Karimov's Gul'nara it married the owner Of mansura Of maksudi, which was known in the republic as the "king of nonalcoholic market" - it spills in Tashkent Coca-Cola

Maksudi not "local". It - an ethnic Uzbek, who emigrated in THE USA from Afghanistan. After becoming steepest zyatem in the republic, thus far no one not well-known trader obtained limitless possibilities for the advance of his business. Of maksudi it easily extruded from the Uzbek market of the basic competitors Coca-Cola - company PepsiCo. In the short time "limonadnye joe" they became some of the basic investors of Uzbekistan - since 1994 the company put in the economy of the country more than 100 million dollars.

Capital, multiplied by the position in the society, gave Maksudi not bad chance to study policy. However, not so long ago Mansur and Gul'nara bred. Thus, Maksudi no longer connect any ethical and moral standards (you will agree that the rivalry on political Olympus with its native wife, on top of that under the conditions of the east, appears, at least, ridiculously). On the whole, it is completely probable that an American Uzbek (or Uzbek American) still poboretsya for the presidential armchair. The intrigue of future selections can leave amusing: who knows, and the suddenly former husbands will reconcile? Then in family instead of one chance appear wholes two."
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:26 AM
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81. See other links posted. This one is yucky.. (but thanks for trying...)
:smiles on a winter night:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:29 AM
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82. Greg Rucka, the author, is also into comic books and has had
a colorful career.

Meet and greet him at http://www.gregrucka.com

And, no, I am not his mother, nor am I involved in any other way. I wanted him to do a radio show with me on his new book and along the way of exploring the book and its themes, I had to see who the "mystery lady" was.

Goodnight and good luck!

In peace,

Radio_Lady
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:34 AM
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83. FINAL THOUGHTS -- Gulnara: Is she a beauty or a beast? Or both?
Read all about her at:

http://www.despardes.com/newsmakers/GULNARA-NOV30.htm

Thanks to all who participated in this thread.

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:04 AM
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85. Is it that whore that was working with the CA GOP?
Mata Hari of la-la land?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:56 PM
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88. Don't know who you are referring to! See clues and final posts for answer
about this woman! Thanks for your participation!

In peace,

Radio_Lady
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:15 AM
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86. Brabara Boxer?
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:01 PM
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90. nt
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 08:42 PM by Mountainman
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