George Clooney has harsh words for Hillary...

I just found this on MSNBC - Thought it was interesting...

George Clooney — an outspoken critic of the Bush administration — also has some harsh words for Hillary Clinton.

The “Syriana” star says he is “frustrated and disappointed” that Clinton and many other Democrats were “scared” to oppose the war on Iraq, and “now they are paying the price.”

“I hate it when smart men and women are saying, ‘Well, if I knew then what I know now,’ ” Clooney told the Sunday Times of London. “The fact is: I knew it then and I don’t have national security clearance. . . . Basically, the Democrat leadership was scared and it’s too bad, because it’s come back to haunt them.”

Clooney’s choice for president: Barak Obama. “Of course he doesn’t want to right now; he just wants to be senator for Illinois,” Clooney told the paper. “But he could attract the two groups who rarely show up to vote — young people and blacks. He’s the guy to get behind.”

I say this over soooooooo many issues on a daily basis... :banghead:

When people tell me "Well, we didn't know then..." I interrupt and say, "Wll, I did. I knew then. And I didn't even have access to any special information or national security briefings."

especially one who is running in 2008...say that they were duped by the bad intel, I wanna fucking scream.

If that is the case, dude or dudette, you are too damn STUPID to be president!

Too STUPID to be President, has a bunch of members in it including idiots that say don't focus on how we got into the war! :yoiks:

...that no one wants to talk about. Too many dems made their decisions about supporting the war against Iraq based on flawed political calculus rather than the truth.

Mike I would love to agree with you and their might be some lil bit of truth that what they got was altered, but the bottom line is that Air America, WBAI (Pacifica) and countless numbers of progressives were against the war and vocalizing that Saddam was not a threat.

The Democrats went along gung ho with the war beacuse they were scared of the political ramifications if they opposed it. I am waiting for the Dem with some courage to admit that fact. In their defense, given the political climate at the time, it very well might have been the end of their careers, or maybe not given the war is going so badly, they could have been at least consistent.

But when the right wing rightfully claims that the Democrats supported it and the Dem exuse is "we didn't have the right intelligence, we were hoodwinked" bullshit, they appear as ill informed as the Bush cabal and equally incompetant.

liberation of Iraq began. I agree on the rest.

Kerry caved and voted for the war and what good did it do him? Caving in to these pricks NEVER works.

I was referring to the media and the political climate in that if the Dems tried to stand up against the war, the propaganda machine would have ate them up. I still think they should have done so.

and millions of people knew the truth. The enemy since the 1990's was bin Laden according to what is being revealed from our intelligence community and documents, but we knew it, anyway. The enemy, we were told, was everyone who funded and sponsored 9-11 and this included Saudi Arabia, but that was ignored and we had Americans partnering with associations who are also accused of funding terrorists (Norquist).

The people knew that Afganistan was our target for 9-11 and as George always reminds us - this is all about 9-11 and a safe America. We were continually told that the Taliban supported bin Laden in Afghanistan, yet we were meeting with the Taliban in Texas about pipelines while bin Laden supposedly trained the terrorists (using our manual). The entire world also knew that our supposed enemies were in Afghanistan. But no, Rumsfeld actually said that he didn't want to conduct a war in the mountains. They wanted a four wheel and air war in Iraq for about 13-14 reasons that the citizens of this country - minus certain Senators - figured out by corresponding and sharing what they knew. The world knew that this was a conconcted war - which resulted in being the war with a million excuses from a propaganda point of view.

Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, Schumer, Biden, and all the rest of them should carry this on their shoulders for the rest of their lives in spite of the good works they might do. But, none deserve to be President until they acknowledge it and apologize and stop blaiming others.

You are right. Clooney is right.

I regret constantly bringing this up, but she and the rest of them can't be credible when they say they didn't know when the rest of us figured it out and
wrote about it constantly.

The first of the 13-14 reasons is all about Israel. Few can avoid the lure of helping Israel and Iraq was a PNAC war and the #1 reason for PNAC operating this war was Israel. In spite of knowing that the help given Israel is all out of proportion to the help given Palestine, we all now that the Number 1 reason of Moslem terrorists is Palestine.

Well, it is very curious that my hero, Wellstone, did not vote for Iraq War I or Iraq War II and he practised the Jewish faith.

Clinton and the rest of them are asking us to forgive them (in effect) because they didn't know. What did Wellstone and other heroes of mine know that they didn't? Therefore, for me, the rest of them are not credible.

I meant exactly what you said. :toast:

I hear ya. Whereas the Dems are not primarily accountable for the war, it did go through with their complicity. So to pretend that they didn't know, like the poster above me said about Wellstone, is folly. It was a political move by the Dems to avoid getting even further weakened. At that time Bush was popular, the media and most of the country was behind the war, and to have opposed it, might have meant disaster. The Dems gambled and lost. Had they had a crystal ball and peered into the future and seen what this situation has become, you bet your ass they would have opposed GW in force. They just protected their political butts.

He'd win in a landslide. But I can hear the jokes from the right already...."Clooney the Looney" Sigh!

Unlike Tim Robbins! No name calling

Clooney is a classy person!

proof. I had my doubts too, but I also didn't have all the intelligence the Senate and the House were presented with to consider, or to weigh in on how best to protect the United States and it's citizens.

Back in Janurary of 2003:

http://japan.usembassy.gov/e/p/tp-20030115a3.html

Also look here to see what the committee covers:


http://armed-services.senate.gov/about.htm

Emphasis is mine of course, but the vote on the war resolution was in Oct. of 2002, my question is, was her appointment to the Armed Services Committee only 4 months after the vote a kickback or not? We don't really know what info she had, however, this doesn't mean she wasn't already privy to much of it.

Anybody with any prior knowledge of the history of the people who make up the bush administration knew they were lying. Also, everybody knew Powell was lying through his teeth at the UN security council WHEN he was doing it.

who voted against the IWR because they felt the intel was bad. Go back and read the transcripts of their comments on the floor and you'll see that not everyone was "duped" by the intel. Many of them knew what the real deal was and weren't afraid to vote the right way.

IMO, if you were stupid enough to be "duped" by the intel, you're too stupid to be president.

Anytime they open their damn mouths! :grr:

I'm very glad that George Clooney is speaking out-he is awesome! I didn't see the NBC clip, but did he mention that the jerks in Congress voted AGAINST getting out of Iraq-IMMEDIATELY-LIKE NOW-last month?! If not, he should have since that was obviously another move to cover their a$$es! :grr:

Frankly, I'd rather see Clooney in office because I'm at the point where I don't trust ANY of politician with the exception Conyers and Boxer. Obama? Hillary? Kerrry? Forgetaboutit! Let's get someone in office who is ETHICAL and won't be swayed by the money big business uses to bribe everyone with in Washington! Someone like Clooney or Warren Beatty or Oprah or Michael Moore. Someone rich and ethical enough to give the corporate bastards and the corrupt political machine in DC the finger! :grr: