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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:46 AM
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NY Times: "One Principle as Bush Pushes Prerogatives" (Claim it's legal!)
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 04:18 AM by Humor_In_Cuneiform
My comments: It is so interesting to recall what Senator Byrd said and took a lot of heat for last March, in light of the newest revelation of the "expansion" of executive power. First is the March article, then below that the NY Times article from today.

"Senator Byrd is Correct to Equate Bush With Hitler
by Harvey Wasserman

March 7, 2005

The U.S. Senate's senior Constitutional scholar has correctly equated Bush with Hitler, and the usual attack dogs are howling. But they are wrong, and Americans must now face the harsh realities of an increasingly fascist and totalitarian GOP.


Octogenarian Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia made the equation in the context of Bush's attack on Senate procedures which might slow or halt his on-going attempt to pack the courts with extreme right-wing fanatics. Byrd said Bush's moves to destroy time-honored Senate rules parallel Hitler's ramming fascist legislation through his gutted Reichstag. "Hitler never abandoned the cloak of legality," said Byrd. "He recognized the enormous psychological value of having the law on his side. Instead, he turned the law inside out and made illegality legal."

Anti-Defamation League Director Abraham Foxman has played the holocaust card for the Republicans, saying "It is hideous, outrageous and offensive for Senator Byrd to suggest that the Republican Party's tactics could in any way resemble those of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party..."


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0307-22.htm



"NEW YORK TIMES

News Analysis

Behind Power, One Principle as Bush Pushes Prerogatives
By SCOTT SHANE

Published: December 17, 2005


WASHINGTON, Dec. 16 - A single, fiercely debated legal principle lies behind nearly every major initiative in the Bush administration's war on terror, scholars say: the sweeping assertion of the powers of the presidency.

From the government's detention of Americans as "enemy combatants" to the just-disclosed eavesdropping in the United States without court warrants, the administration has relied on an unusually expansive interpretation of the president's authority. That stance has given the administration leeway for decisive action, but it has come under severe criticism from some scholars and the courts.

With the strong support of Vice President Dick Cheney, legal theorists in the White House and Justice Department have argued that previous presidents unjustifiably gave up some of the legitimate power of their office. The attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, made it especially critical that the full power of the executive be restored and exercised, they said..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/17/politics/17legal.html?th&emc=th
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:18 AM
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1. I notice that they've exchanged "spying" for "eavesdropping".
Just sounds nicer, less threatening, less malignant, doesn't it...
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:33 AM
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4. Sounds like a snoopy busybody rather than an overzealous government.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:37 AM
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5. Yep.
Nothing bad to see here... Move on, please.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:39 AM
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6. Silly KGB, "eavesdropping on people"...so naughty! nt
:)
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:24 AM
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2. " ...has given the administration leeway for decisive action..." Yeah, we
know. You S.O.B.s. You certainly helped that right along, didn't you?
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:32 AM
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3. Really! I hope we'll now have eyes wide open, and get serious about
reining in this group's excesses of power.
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 07:52 AM
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7. Why do so many insist on casting this as an issue of "wisdom" and "values"


"Obviously we have to do things differently because of the terrorist threat," said Elizabeth Rindskopf Parker, former general counsel of both N.S.A. and the Central Intelligence Agency, who served under both Republican and Democratic administrations. "But to do it without the participation of the Congress and the courts is unwise in the extreme."

<snip>

"Clearly the president felt after 9/11 that he needed more powers than his predecessors had exercised," Mr. Smith said. "He chose to assert as much power as he thought he needed. Now the question is whether that was wise and consistent with our values."


This is not about values, it is about the law and the Constitution.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:36 PM
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8. Excellent point! Playing into their "above the law" attitudes...
This is about an administration that considers itself above the law, willing to go to any lengths to win, to get what they want.

The people trying to clothe these illegal, unconstituional actions within the wise/unwise, consistent with out values/not consistent really need to wake up to the gathering danger.

They make it sound like indeed the admin is beyond the law, and all we can do is ask them please do they think it is wise, do they think it is ok?

This is simply NO WAY to run a constitutional democracy that holds

"...these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends it is the right of the people to alter...it"


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