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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:56 AM
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From DKos: Bush's "Lewinsky" moment on wiretapping, from a 2004 speech

2004-Bush tells group: Wiretaps require Court Order
by JLFinch
Mon Dec 19, 2005 at 11:59:27 PM PDT

Look what George Bush said in a speech in New York in April 2004:

Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.


Wish someone in the corporate-controlled press had the guts to publish this side-by-side with his quotes from Sat.

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bpyatt Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:00 AM
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1. You got a link for this speech?
Link?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:05 AM
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4. Google is your friend :)
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 08:07 AM by ET Awful
http://japan.usembassy.gov/e/p/tp-20040421-26.html

"Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."
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bpyatt Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:09 AM
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6. Nevermind found it
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:10 AM
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7. I'm technology impaired
but if you look at Dailykos.com, under recommended diaries, you'll see the full quote and link and everything.

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Tamarin Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:01 AM
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2. Send it to Jack Cafferty, he loves to point out Bush's hypocrisy.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:30 AM
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16. So does Olberman,of course MSGOP might not let him.....n/t
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:04 AM
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3. Hitler's the one who made "Homeland" the popular buzzword that it is
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 08:06 AM by Chimichurri
It's chilling everytime he uses it. He used it in yesterdays speech..

ve mus protect ze homelan - Heil Bush
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:19 AM
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11. Velkom zu DU Chimichurri!!
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:21 PM
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27. ah Danke
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:08 AM
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5. Great catch! So this proves he knew it was illegal and did it
anyway. Flippity floppity flip.
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:12 AM
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8. And that he COVERED IT UP
Notice how he assures people that nothing's changed, and of course the government has to get a court order. If that's not a bald-faced lie given what we know now, then what is??

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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:15 AM
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9. great post.
nm
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:17 AM
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10. Totally speechless here
Kicked and nominated!
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:22 AM
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12. But lying about warrantless wiretaps necessary to fool the enemy!
Not alqaeda, who couldn't care less, but the domestic enemy. Moore, Kerry, Clinton.....you know.
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:25 AM
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13. and so the NYT sat on this story for approximately 1 year--guess
this speech coincided with the initial discovery of the story.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:26 AM
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14. "nothing has changed" says Jr. got that Jr--!!


Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:28 AM
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15. Damn,Bush lied...what a shock! Keep this bumped to the top..n/t
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:52 AM
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17. Don't like the Lewinsky reference.
Makes it seem like B*'s lie is no big deal.

This is a BIG DEAL!!
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:23 AM
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24. I'm OK with it. Could be a catchy meme: "Bush's Lewinsky Moment."
eom
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:34 AM
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18. Your rights are safe - I watch over them. Go back to sleep.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:36 AM
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19. back when we had journalists who didn't sit on the asses all day
gossiping and making bad jokes only they laugh at, journalists would have immediately researched this and asked Bush about it.

But looking good on TV, smiling a lot, and reading the monitor ARE today's TV journalists.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:47 AM
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20. Is the media picking this up?
This is georgie boy blatantly lying ot his adoring public.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:49 AM
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21. The smoking gun needed for his impeachment
He has admitted his crime and in this speech he admits and acknowledges it was illegal and unconstitutional.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:11 AM
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22. kind of ironic....
how he uses the word ROVING wiretaps.....
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:22 AM
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23. Kick
:kick:
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:44 AM
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25. Has Anyone snipped the video of this yet?
I want to play that over and over and over again...

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warbly Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 04:23 PM
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26. he's always lying
bush on wiretaps in 2004:
“Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so. It’s important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.”
george w. bush, New York, April 2004

bush on wiretaps yesterday:
bush: “The second part of the question is? Sorry — I gave a long answer.”

Question: It was, why did you skip the basic safeguards of asking courts for permission for the intercepts?

bush: “First of all, I — right after September the 11th, I knew we were fighting a different kind of war. And so I asked people in my administration to analyze how best for me and our government to do the job people expect us to do, which is to detect and prevent a possible attack. That’s what the American people want. We looked at the possible scenarios. And the people responsible for helping us protect and defend came forth with the current program, because it enables us to move faster and quicker. And that’s important. We’ve got to be fast on our feet, quick to detect and prevent.

We use FISA still — you’re referring to the FISA court in your question — of course, we use FISAs. But FISA is for long-term monitoring. What is needed in order to protect the American people is the ability to move quickly to detect.

Now, having suggested this idea, I then, obviously, went to the question, is it legal to do so? I am — I swore to uphold the laws. Do I have the legal authority to do this? And the answer is, absolutely. As I mentioned in my remarks, the legal authority is derived from the Constitution, as well as the authorization of force by the United States Congress. ”
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