Lieberman vs. McCain vs. Collins: How do their vote records rate

I cannot take credit for this thread, DUer Douglas Carpenter posted this information in a thread I started about how Lieberman supported the ANWR filibuster.

This is some powerful stuff in here about how Lieberman's vote record, a record that some DUer claim is identical to what Bush wants, stands up against McCain (A popular Republican in DU) and Collins (A moderate republican)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2324590&mesg_id=2325967

The poster went through the scorecards of all the liberal causes like NARAL, ADA, ACLU, HRC, etc and posted the rank of these 3 senators and a very obvious trend came through - *GASP* Joe Lieberman votes like a democrat - more than Collins & McCain combined.

One again I am not saying that Lieberman is our only option in Connecticut. I know he has upset many of us, including myself, with his stance on the war. But then again so did John Murtha, a very conservative pro-life warhawk democrat, until about a month ago when he had a revelation that maybe he was wrong about the war.

In respect to the hardwork that this DUer did - please click on the above link to read the voting records.

I'm hoping that in the end all DUers can agree to the following:

Primaries: Rid ourselves of bad democrats
General Election: Rid ourselves of Republicans even if that means voting for a few 'bad' democrats

what he is gunning for. Look for a rumour about Lieberman to be named Commerce Secretary next. Week in week out, that leader of Israeli Hawk Democrats will be painted as having jumped ship and moving to the fold of the neocons.

Next week the rumour will be that Lieberman will be named assistant Secretary of State. Week three (actually week five) the rumour will be that he jumped ship and becomes UN Ambassador.

And on and on.

The motion of a leader moving to the Hard Line on the Middle East Bush WH - will play out again and again and again.

So that 3% of that group of Dems will jump. Takes lots of repetition to create pathways in the minds of your soon to be supporters. And a whole lot of contempt.

IMHO.

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what position will he be nominated to next week? Supreme Court? Education Secretary? Ambassador to Tahiti?

If you looked at those numbers you'll see that we're getting some republican votes back. If anything it's almost a wash.

Take a deep breath, I don't think Lieberman is about to switch parties to the party that is inheritantly anti-choice, anti-environment and anti-civil rights. Joe is in too deep with this groups to cross them. The fact that he is gung-ho for filibustering ANWR again says that maybe there is some good in ole Joe!

the GOP can have fun making it look like he is about to jump - to try and grease the path for the 3% of Democrat Israeli Hawks they covet. Just like the 3% of the black vote they got over abortion. 3% in this democratic group, 3% in that democratic group, 3% in another democratic group - and it all adds up to a big switch in votes. Why they wedge. Why they keep the fear alive.

He would have absolutely no say whatsoever about the party's platform on choice, environment, civil rights, tax reform, campaign reform etc. etc. etc. Lieberman would give them an "R" in their column but Lieberman would lose a slew of respect, approval and voice in the US Senate it he switched.

We were happy to give Jeffords a committee position because he agreed with us on so many issues and aligned with us perfectly for the committee he got. But I don't think Lieberman would have that kind of welcome in the Republican party.

He's got it really good right now because he can 'act like a republican' when it comes to the war but then 'act like a democrat' for all the other issues he supports.

Andy finally, with all the scandals going on in the republican party and the word 'impeachment' being floated around would you jump your yacht that is sailing smoothly in order to sail in a ship that was sinking?

Just that the notion of his "switching" is being passed around and around and around.

So I made fun of it. Each week it seems the "liberman switch hopers" find a new position in the Rove administration he will take.

My point was - can we not stop talking about switching?

I just want him to go away. I'm sick of hearing his whiney voice. Can't the Dems in CT find a decent candidate to knock his ass off in a primary?

It use to be 69%.

My only worry is that if we unseat Lieberman in the primaries would the new candidate be strong enough to hold off the republican candidate? Connecticut does have a republican governor so obviously Repukes can win statewide.

comparison of Sen. Liebermans' record
Now don't get me wrong. I am no friend of the DLC. Mr. Benchley and Mr. Wyldwolf will vouch for me on that. Nor am I a fan of Joe Lieberman. I particularly resent some of Sen. Lieberman's recent absurd comments about the War in Iraq and Democrats who oppose Bush's war policy. I also have deep philosophic conflicts with Sen. Lieberman especially on foreign policy, military spending, corporate power and issues of trade.

Nonetheless, I think his voting record reasonably qualifies him as a Democrat.

This is a comparison of interest group ratings. I compared Sen. Lieberman with Sen McCain who is highly regarded as a "moderate" Republican and Sen. Susan Collins of Maine who is regarded by many as a "liberal" pro-choice Republican and probably the most liberal Republican in the Senate.

This is courtesy of project vote smart - link:

http://www.vote-smart.org/index.htm
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 20 percent in 2004.

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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 83 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 22 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 56 percent in 2003-2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 75 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 35 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 45 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 83 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 33 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 50 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 92 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 9 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 18 percent in 2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the National Education Association 88 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Education Association 35 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the National Education Association 55 percent in 2003-2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 88 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 25 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 88 percent in 2003-2004.
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2001-2002 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 94 percent in 2001-2002.(for some reason 2003-2004 was not available for Sen Lieberman)

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 15 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 42 percent in 2003-2004
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 95 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 14 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 32 percent in 2003-2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 50 percent in 2004

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 40 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Family Research Council 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Family Research Council 67 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the Family Research Council 17 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 83 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 66 percent in 2004
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 0 percent in 2004

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 72 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Collins supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 68 percent in 2004.

Vermont Congressman Bernie Sanders for U . S. Senate 2006--A

...there is only one vote/position that matters to those who hate Lieberman - and that would be his Iraq position. Not to deny the importance of that issue but, to me anyway, that is not the issue of all issues.

If Tom Delay suddenly came out against the war, he'd suddenly become a hero to many.

and Feinstein, both Nelsons, are either 1) fools, or 2) Repub operatives.