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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 12:45 AM
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The Rebels....Greider's case that it might be good for the party overall.
This is at The Nation by William Greider, it is called the Rebels. I got interested in reading it after David Sirota's comments on it. From his email today.

As Greider points out, the Washington Democratic Establishment has loudly complained about efforts to instill the party with some semblance of ideological fire, trotting out tired arguments about such efforts supposedly "weakening the party" for the next election. But he notes that's exactly what the 1970s Republican Establishment said about its firebrands, even as it lost elections. Only until the outsiders took power did their party start winning.

And that begs the question for Democrats as 2005 comes to an end - how many elections do we have to lose under the Establishment's appeasement and split-the-difference strategy until we say enough is enough, it's time for a change? Thankfully, it looks like that's what an increasing number of citizens and groups like Moveon.org are saying outside the Beltway. They are ready and willing to seriously challenge those incumbents who regularly undermine their party and the progressive cause. And that bodes well not only for the progressive agenda, but for the Democratic Party's long-term success. This, in short, is why frontally challenging the Republicans AND demanding accountability from Democrats is important, and why we must ignore those predictable, protect-their-own-turf insiders who constantly tell those outside their cabal to shut up. It is they who should shut up - they've lost enough elections, and it's time for a change.


Here is the article by Greider. He fairly points out the risks inherent in taking stands against established party leaders, but he points out the possibilities in favor of it as well. He starts with the fact that there are grassroots groups looking into opposing Lieberman.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060109/greider

Possibly, this rump-group assault on the established order will come to nothing, just another angry rant from frustrated Democrats. But it could be the start of something big--a David-and-Goliath challenge that encourages other nascent insurgencies around the country. Rebellion can be fun--who doesn't enjoy upsetting the mainstream media?--but in these dispiriting times it is also good for one's mental health. Even better, rebellion could revive the Democratic Party.

Intraparty challenges are one of the most effective ways to get the attention of risk-averse politicians and force them to change their thinking. Even if the targeted politicians are not defeated, they hate intrusions from meddlesome citizens messing with their job-for-life security. And nothing upsets members of Congress like seeing a few of their colleagues abruptly taken down by outsiders with supposedly marginal issues the Washington Club didn't take seriously. Incumbents will do quite a lot to avoid the same fate.


And he goes further into the situation about Lieberman. I think he is fair on it, there are risks and good things about opposing.

The Democratic Party is never going to change substantively and again become a reform party with a serious agenda until some of its blood is spilled in the same fashion. For years, incumbent Dems have distanced themselves from fundamental convictions, confident the party's "base" wouldn't do anything about it beyond whimpering. Until now, the cynicism was well founded. Galvanized by the war, disgusted with weak-spined party leaders, the rank-and-file may at last be ready to bite back.

The fuse was lit for Lieberman a few weeks ago, when MoveOn.org let it be known that the web-savvy organization will support a challenger if that's what its Connecticut members decide to do. "Our first allegiance is to our members," explains Tom Matzzie, MoveOn's Washington director, "and they are just as frustrated with the Democrats as anybody else. So they've given us the charge to change the Dems, and we're taking that very seriously." Politicians and media learned to respect MoveOn in 2004, when it proved its ability to organize people and money.

The center-right senator, meanwhile, is practically taunting the party's loyal voters with his extreme embrace of Bush and Bush's misbegotten war. "What a colossal mistake it would be," Lieberman lamented recently, "for America's bipartisan political leadership to choose this moment in history to lose its will." Party leaders in DC--Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean--all took shots at him. Rumors started that Lieberman must be fishing for a job in Bush's Cabinet.


The momentum has been started. Some of it is good, some is risky. I think the Iraq War was the turning point. Once the people in the party saw that their leaders in Congress would so easily vote for a war like that, and vote against their interests and desires with no real answering to us......it changed things. People have died.

Since Jim Dean and the CT DFA delivered the letter to Lieberman, and since his letter back as much as saying he still thinks he is right....things have changed.

Not sure what is coming, but I think Greider did a good job of presenting a case for and against The Rebels. Oddly, many of these people he talks about are pretty moderate like myself. That just shows how far to the right they have gone.





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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 12:48 AM
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1. To make it VERY clear:: I am advocating changing the party from within...
not trying to make it ineffective. It is not time for third party, not yet. I advocate change, not destruction.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:29 AM
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5. I'm advocatin'....
right there with you, Mad!
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:02 AM
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2. I found this paragraph interesting also..

<snip>

"Democratic leaders in Washington naturally discourage the talk of insurgency, warning it could endanger the party's chance of regaining a majority in the House or Senate. Some progressives doubtless agree. But this is the same logic--follow the leaders and keep your mouth shut--that has produced a long string of lame candidates with empty agendas, most recently John Kerry in 2004. The strategy of unity and weak substance led Democrats further to the right, further from their most loyal constituents. And they lost power across the board."

<snip>

thanks for posting a link to this article. It captured my attention since I live in CT and get to vote in Lieberman's next election for the first time ( I moved here a month after 9-11).

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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:16 AM
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3. Good article .. both Feinstein and Lieberman got the message...
Feinstein has suddenly showing herself as doing something more than just occupying a seat in five different well appointed and fully staffed offices -
Lieberman seems to have gotten the message too, we'll see what happens in January.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 07:57 AM
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8. they are going to have to do more than get the message.
two things:

1 -- someone or someones are going to be ''sacrificed''.

2 -- there's a curve -- the rebellion is about the leadership leading the curve not dragging behind it.

just my two cents -- you won't get a cup a coffee with it.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 08:50 AM
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9. Say what?
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missouri dem 2 Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:20 AM
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4. Does anyone have a link to Greider's column that is posted
elsewhere. The nation link is for subscribers only.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:30 AM
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6. How about a PM.
Edited on Sat Dec-24-05 01:30 AM by madfloridian
Check your inbox.
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missouri dem 2 Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:43 AM
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7. Thanks so much. Greider is always worth reading.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 08:53 AM
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10. Yes, that's what the country needs....
Another bunch of rigid ideologues out of touch with reality running things...

"The fuse was lit for Lieberman a few weeks ago, when MoveOn.org let it be known that the web-savvy organization will support a challenger if that's what its Connecticut members decide to do."
Wonder what those Connecticut members decided? Funny Greider didn't ask, eh?
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 09:06 AM
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11. It seems many grassroots 'rebel' dems ,
Edited on Sat Dec-24-05 09:13 AM by NoFederales
as well as disaffected people from Other Party Affiliations are wanting real leadership. That leadership should not be associated with the aristocratically minded politician for which Washington is replete. People issues, true and sincere social governance, is what seems to be lacking in American Politics.

Greider speaks of an Opposition Party, how many Dems believe that to be The Democratic Party? Party identity is such an easy idea, but what a monumental task it will be to bring the current leadership together with the increasingly independent rank and file. How is that going to work?

NoFederales

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 11:55 AM
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12. It could be done quite easily if....
Edited on Sat Dec-24-05 12:26 PM by madfloridian
the blogs on the left would take stands with our Democrats who really stand up and take the brunt of attacks. People who post at blogs often do take up for them, and some of those being attacked post for themselves.

But on the whole the blogs are not a huge voice for change, not yet. They may have a lot of readers, and they express their own views. But they are not yet good at getting the backs of those Democrats who do speak out.

And the ones on the left who want to have a 3rd party and are not willing to give the current chairman an even chance....they are never satisfied with those same Democrats who are trying. And they are ready, the moment the vicious attacks start from the right...they start trying to weaken the party from the left.

I won't join 3rd party, but I will work very hard to change this one.



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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 12:34 PM
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13. I, too, would like to find work on how to change the direction of the
Democratic Party--back to people issues, about working for decent standards of living, about health, education, and general welfare issues, about political reform and responsibilities. So how does an ignorant fellow go about this task? In my year long association with DU I know more about the Dem Party, but that's not enough; I already had pet political peeves and rants, but the list grows because * is just so,.... .*; and solace is invaluable when you can read other's postings and realize: "Hey, I ain't the only disgruntled human being around."

I see no champions of the Opposition in my area. Being without a Voice in a very red area is daunting--LTTEs don't cut it, and some of the State blogospheres seem to be more like social chatrooms. Some folks like me are less meeting oriented and more geared to action, but to do what? I've already made steps to check out the County Dem Organization, maybe local issues will coincide with larger national issues, maybe not. Voting rights tops my list of those mentioned above. Any suggestions are welcomed; thank you for post.

NoFederales
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