McCain=Bush* shell game! TORTURE to be legalized on MONDAY!?

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December 9, 2005 Friday 3:35 PM GMT

Retired Military Officers, Former Federal Judges, and Law Professors Take a Stand Against Graham Amendment in Defense Bill;
Open Letters to Members of Congress Advocate for a Return to Habeas Corpus

WASHINGTON Dec. 9

WASHINGTON, Dec. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Three retired senior military legal officers, twelve former federal judges, and 52 leading law professors have issued open letters to Members of Congress urging them to reject the Graham- Levin-Kyl Amendment to halt habeas corpus petitions from prisoners held in the U.S.-run detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

In unison, the letters encourage hearings and additional debate over the amendment to determine the long-term legal and global affects of passing legislation that deny prisoners the opportunity to challenge their detainment.

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The letter from the twelve former federal judges states, "For more than two hundred years, the federal courts have been key to maintaining our rule of law under the Constitution. This amendment could erode long-exercised federal court review of military tribunals and executive detention. We urge you to subject this stark departure from our best legal traditions to the scrutiny and skepticism it deserves."

The Graham-Levin-Kyl amendment is currently attached to the Senate Defense Authorization bill, section 1092 of S.1042 and is being considered by the House-Senate Armed Services Committee.

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Still to be voted on!! House reconvening for this on Monday, December 26, and/or soon after!!

please research this, add any info you can, and

PLEASE consider and post on ways we can stop this!!


Thank you!

If hooking up an Iraqi Insurgents testicles to a car battery could save just one American's life I have just two things to say; "1. Red is positive, and 2. Black is negative."

You must be a Bush* voter if you are even old enough to vote because the intelligence demonstrated in that statement is beneath a chimps level..

1. how many innocents in the process is okay with you? with this law, nothing to stop them from dragging in any number of innocents looking for that one who just might know something.


2. torture does not work. got that? people under torture admit to things that are not true, to end the torture. that is well documented.


3. for those for whom simple human decency is not reason enough not to torture, goes this fact: it is just as much to protect our own troops, that we agree and adhere to international standards and conventions.


so why, again, cross that insane and inhumane line??

details in fine print"

http://villagevoice.com/news/0552,hentoff,71304,6.html

McCain's Retreat
Praise for the president's yielding to John McCain ignored the awful details in fine print

by Nat Hentoff
December 23rd, 2005 6:03 PM

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Concessions already obtained by the administration from Mr. McCain, and a separate amendment authored by Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), could prevent any foreign detainee from seeking relief in a U.S. court in the event that he was tortured. . . . Mr. Graham and Senator Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.) recently agreed to yet another administration provision that would—incredibly—allow evidence obtained by torture to be considered by military review panels (at Guantánamo.) Editorial, The Washington Post, December 16, the very day after Bush and McCain congratulated each other on ending human rights abuses, including torture, of U.S. prisoners anywhere in the world

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In a few of the stories, those readers going beneath the headlines found harsh revelations of the shell game that McCain and Bush are playing. These discoveries add to the accelerating exposure of how George W. Bush—with the cooperation of the once principled John McCain and of other members of Congress—is engaging in the cruel and inhumane debasing of the values we are fighting for against homicidal terrorists.

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"This amendment tears the heart out of anything good that the McCain prohibition does. It strips the right of habeas corpus from detainees at Guantánamo, prohibits them from suing U.S. officials for their treatment, and in new language slipped into the bill actually authorizes the tribunals at Guantánamo to use statements obtained through coercion as 'probative' . That provision works a significant change of existing U.S. and international law and actually provides an incentive for U.S. officials or officials from other governments through rendition , to obtain such coerced statements." (Emphasis added.)

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" the administration has adopted logic that accepts, in principle, the idea that the FBI could constitutionally use them on U.S. citizens in certain circumstances." (Emphasis added.)

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That's some Euro ICC thing simply used to politically embarass the US, not like they say, one of the underpinnings of western civilization and other egghead shit...

Good chance if they are brown and look Arab, they hate us and PROBABLY KNOW other America-haters as well and damn it, I feel insecure.

ON LEGALIZING TORTURE!!!

WTF is going on out there? How can anyone stop this ....there's NO TIME?

on thursday night.

clerk's office shows it could be either way, now! and no way to ask clerk again, UNTIL monday!

cunning.

i have been posting this, IN CASE they still convene monday. and i don't know ANY way to find out sooner. i'm hoping if there is absolute evidnce they already passed, it will come up here. and if not, we're at least trying to stop them.

sigh...

thank you, KoKo01!

U.S.: Oppose the Graham-Levin-Kyl Amendment
Human Rights Organizations Urge Opposition of the Graham-Levin-Kyl Amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act
December 14, 2005

The Honorable Duncan Hunter
House Armed Services Committee, Chairman
2265 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20015

The Honorable Ike Skelton
House Armed Services Committee, Ranking Member
2206 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20015

The Honorable John Warner
Senate Armed Services Committee, Chairman
225 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20015

The Honorable Carl Levin
Senate Armed Services Committee, Ranking Member
269 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20015


Re: Graham-Levin-Kyl Amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act

Dear Conferees:

We strongly oppose the Graham-Levin-Kyl Amendment to the National Defense Authorization bill and urge you to resist any compromise that would further limit the ability of detainees in Guantanamo Bay to seek review of their ongoing detention.

In precluding detainees from bringing habeas challenges to their ongoing detention and the use of torture, the Senate bill already gravely undermines the rule of law. Any further restriction on federal court jurisdiction would undercut the important achievements of the McCain Amendment. Detainees would be unable to seek any form of relief in any court of law from ongoing torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment.

We urge you to remove the Graham-Levin-Kyl Amendment from the Defense Authorization bill, and to assign it to the House and Senate Judiciary Committees, where these complex judicial issues can be given careful consideration they deserve.

Sincerely,

Human Rights Watch

The Center for American Progress

The Open Society Policy Institute

Human Rights First

I don't see McCain's name on this bill.

I see Levin, a Dem, ranking member of the Senate Committee.

And I see Graham & Kyl.

used against Guantanamo inmates, but that was later changed.


please read the info on this.

thank you!


peace!

Levin said he struggled against the administration and House Republicans who "have sought at every turn to deny legal right or recourse" to detainees. "While I have not succeeded as well as I would like," he said...

http://www.leadingthecharge.com/stories/news-00113327.html

US Congress nears vote on detainee measures
Staff and agencies
17 December, 2005
By Vicki Allen

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"As big as the story was yesterday on the success of McCain, the losses for the United States on the torture issue with the Graham changes are just as big if not bigger," said Christopher Anders of the American Civil Liberties Union.

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much info out there. i wish i'd looked much sooner. but we still must stop this!!


peace

can be declared an "enemy combatant" (for instance think of Cindy Sheehan, or other peace activists) Levin's signing on to this with two Repugs says that he supports their views. There's no way one signs on to an amendment with two Repugs to take away rights and explains it that he struggled against it.

Levin has been prominent on the DNC Commission to change our Primary Process and now I wonder what his proposals on that committee meant. Was he behaving as a "turncoat" on that Commission? Did he have an ulterior motive? Did the others on that Commmittee also have ulterior motives?

I just can't find a way to understand Levin's comments or that we Dems weren't alerted to this. I have to hope that something we don't know is going on in the background that will stop this bill...and that Levin's being a co-sponsor was a tactic that he can use to stop it.

However, having watched our Dems for so long one does wonder about their "strategies" that we always assume are there. :eyes: Without angry grassroots signing petitions and calling it seems that spine is absent and they can often speak out of both sides of their mouth at the same time.

this disguised!

now, mind you, it also speaks to michael moore's stating that they don't read bills. some simply had not, and others had not told them.

and i'm not exactly trusting of dems, either. but THIS?! this takes deliberate collusion.

arrgh!


peace!

constitutional heritage," said Michael Waldman, executive director of the Brennan Center. "Congress has never before allowed physically coerced information to be used as the basis for decisions about individual liberty."

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=58667

Brennan Center Opposes Undermining of Anti-Torture Ban by Graham-Levin-Kyl Amendment

12/23/2005 4:38:00 PM

Contact: Aziz Huq of the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law, 212-992-8632 or 202-441-9684 (cell)

NEW YORK, Dec. 23 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law expressed deep concern over a provision of the Defense Appropriations bill that Congress has passed. This provision would effectively permit the use of evidence obtained by torture in the cases of Guantanamo Naval Base detainees. The amendment, introduced by Sens. Lindsey Graham, Carl Levin and Jon Kyl, would severely curtail federal court review of detainees' cases, allow military tribunals to rely on evidence gained from torture, and undermine vital ongoing attorney-client relations for Guantanamo detainees.

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The Graham-Levin-Kyl Amendment is part of a legislative package with an amendment proposed by Sen. John McCain that would bar cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment by any U.S. personnel. But the Graham-Levin-Kyl Amendment opens a backdoor to torture: It would permit the CIA to cooperate with foreign intelligence services that use torture to extract evidence through coercion. That evidence would then be available as a basis for detention decisions.

"Congress is taking with one hand what it has given with the other," explained Waldman. Never before in American history has a Congress put its stamp of approval on the use of physically coerced testimony to make decisions between liberty and imprisonment. Even in past times of war, this practice has no precedent.

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to this? It boggles my mind...does anyone know? :shrug: And, with Kyle one of the most vilest of Repugs? Graham is probably compromised by "stuff" Rove has on his "private life" but Levin?

he has said he finds it very difficult to defend an amendment he created but doesn't support.

still, he also is going to let it happen, as are all the other dems who aren't fighting this, in fact didn't even alert us to it!

we must fight this.

thank you!

co-sponsoring but doesn’t fully support."


http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=8660

Tortured logic
by News Hits staff
12/21/2005

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Levin, a Michigan Democrat, finds himself in the unenviable position of defending a measure that he’s co-sponsoring but doesn’t fully support.

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Attorney Bill Goodman, legal director for the Center for Constitutional Rights, tells News Hits that coercive interrogation is “just a nice term for torture.”

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If the amendment passes, writes Bazelon, “we will have both parties to thank for putting on the record that the United States is a country that locks people up based on testimony obtained by torture that they don’t know about and can’t challenge.”

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But it goes further than that. It has to do with a foundation of law that dates back to the Magna Carta in 1215, and has been part of the legal foundation of this country throughout its history. At issue is the writ of habeas corpus, which mandates that those accused of crimes have the right to be presented with the evidence being used against them, and to have that evidence reviewed by a judge. Although Graham-Levin-Kyl provides for the eventual review of tribunal actions by the U.S. Court of Appeals in cases where sentences of 10 years or more are handed down, “it is basically a rubber stamp of a rubber stamp,” Goodman says. “There is virtually no representation for a person accused of being an enemy combatant. It certainly doesn’t grant the scope of review available under a traditional writ of habeas corpus.”

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awful.


peace

He should reject it, outright. "Tortured Logic" indeed:

“Administration officials and their allies in the House have sought at every turn to deny any legal right or recourse to detainees at Guantanamo and elsewhere,” the senator said in a statement released by his office last week. “I do not believe that we should have gone down the road of limiting legal remedies for detainees in the manner that we did. However, we have done our best to preserve a meaningful opportunity for detainees to challenge the legality of their detention in federal court. While we have not succeeded as well as I would have liked, the provision in the conference report does not, in my view, justify opposing a defense authorization bill which includes many provisions needed by our troops in a time of war and the McCain amendment barring cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.”


Goody for you, Carl. You've "done your best". This give them the loophole that makes the McCain amendment worthless.

i think it would be good to write that to him.


peace!

If they subverted the intention of his amendment, why should he support it?

Especially this way.

Sheesh, ya gotta watch these guys all of the time.

posting here, Humor_In_Cuneiform, and for giving me the route to find out...

sad as it is


peace and solidarity

Why Reid, as well? I don't know. I wish someone could explain all this away for me because this is just awful on it's face.

:(

questions.

i keep writing, and i'm just waiting till my rep is back in his office, to ask how he could let this go unchalleneged.

yes, why Reid as well??

thank you, incapsulated.


peace!

other than resign yourself to a life of captivity and torture. he doesn't have to justify anything. If he says you are a terrorist, an illegal combatant, it is so. Game Set and Match.

This is not the America I swore to defend. It is not the America I was raised in. It wasn't perfect, but there was a chance that justice and the rule of law would win out.

it is shocking!

and yes, people don't even realize.

thank you for posting that powerful statement, alfredo. :cry:


peace...

Sadness has replaced anger.

it really is grieving i am feeling, too.

we were heading in the direction of repairing the dreadful parts of our history and governance. we were all so hopeful! and we worked so very hard for that progress!

how fast those monsters took us backwards...

please keep on, alfredo. it's well worth it.


peace and solidarity

It seems to be working. I'm not sure we can ever undo the damage to our good name, but we must try. First we must remove the cancer. That would be a first step.

it is good to hear you say it seems to be working, alfredo. i felt a twinge of hope in those words. thank you!


peace

I hope to see you on the streets this political season.

alfredo.

sorry i didn't see that post of yours sooner. thank you!


peace and solidarity!

Join the DFA and help finding and supporting good progressive candidates. Write letters, call lawmakers, support local grass roots organizations. Register voters in under represented districts.

Start political fires everywhere so the GOP will be too busy covering their asses that they will not have time to hurt America anymore.

to know there are others as determined, as you sound, alfredo.

see you out there!


peace and solidarity!

Now that I am retired I can spend time on giving back to the community by making sure they have effective, honest representatives.

worn torn body out to the freezing world for actions. what you are doing, what we are doing is vital! your advice to me, as to any activist, is excellent, motivating and inspirational! so much so that i wanted to assure you i am doing it.

we go till we drop, because that is how important, and how DIRE things are!

thank you for all you do!!


peace and solidarity!

some good times, but now we see a small group of greedy men who want to take away all that made the US a good place to live and raise children. We need to stop the totalitarians before they solidify their control. If not now, it will be much harder for those who come behind.

I have to credit Change for Kentucky and Kentuckians for the Commonwealth for keeping me focused. They are both wonderful organizations. I also have to thank Green Corps for standing with us in our fight against water privatization.

yes! very well said, alfredo. it's good to hear you've found organization that get it and you feel you can work with.
it is inconceivably urgent now.

that is what brought me out of my one attempt to slow down to eventually retire this work to the young folk. after the last election theft, i went all-out, and saw how few were willing to stand up. that knocked me out wildly. so, i tried to semi-retire.
then i saw how fast the right was capitalizing on our lack of fight. so, it has now come to where it really doesn't matter any more to me if i go till i drop in the street. doing that can not be worse or harder than seeing what is happening, and the strife in the world, and then, what is coming. might as well drop fighting, because there is no more joy living in what is now.

we did have some amazing times, didn't we? how i wish the young today could have tasted the hope and empowerment we got to know! it kept me going all this time! you too?

thank you for talking of this with me, alfredo!

peace and solidarity!

the roof over your head. We're seeing college grads at the food banks and soup kitchens. It is hard to think these people have the time or the will to fight for such things as felon rights, the environment, or the plight of Katrina victims.

We lived in a golden age, too bad that one bad president has ruined all that.

fighting for a roof now, but soon it will be for oxygen to breathe.

not even to mention that the very act of resistance is endangered now.

we did, indeed, know a golden age, alfredo. an age of hope and belief that Justice could prevail.

alas...


peace and solidarity!

job that is being used to supplement the $11 per hour full time job. Anyway, their adjustable rate mortgage is starting to worry them and their health insurance as gone up, along with their deductible and co-pay. Now the school wants you to pitch in to help your kids teacher to pay for basic supplies that used to be supplied by the state, but are not now due to cuts by the federal government. Oh yeah, property taxes has gone up, and it appears that Wal-Mart wants your property condemned and rezoned so they can build a mega store on the location.

Your daughter needs braces and you just found your insurance no longer provides dental.

not exist, the company either.

i know a wonderful land trust where you and the kids can go live and work through to the national, then the global walk-out/sitdown strike.

please don't think i don't understand the economics of this. i just also know that we are facing far worse than we/they do now. i feel our responsibility is not just to back off out of our understanding, but to get the truth out that they are hanging on to things that will vanish very soon.


peace and solidarity!

we see any reaction from the people. They only act when their backs are to the wall.

we can not pass it on to them.

i now tell people who say they can not take action, or demonstrate because they have to work, that that will come back to haunt them when they have no more job...
or oxygen.

we have to work relentlessly to get the truth out there. that's why i do. because it is no fault of most people's that they do not know what we face. it is the fault of those intentionally deceiving us all.


peace and solidarity!

I'm going to do some voter ID work in my precinct.

Maybe I will do a bit of postering.

more will read the disguting poli info in it.

thank you.
enjoy the games, alfredo.


peace and solidarity!

with inane babbling, and sometimes brilliant insight (not my own).

I've been keeping the folding@home thread kicked because I believe in the project.

Check it out
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5672092

i'm looking into the folding@home now. it was a bit beyond me, at first. very interesting! thank you for sending me to see that.


peace and solidarity!

join the team and launch the client, or you can run the client without joining any team. Mine launches when I login in the morning. I forget it is there.


If you are on a Mac, you just open System Preferences, open users then hit the tab "login items." Add the client to the login items.

00326 15-Nov S. 1042 On Passage of the Bill Passed S. 1042 As Amended; National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006

00325 15-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2524 Agreed to Graham Amdt. No. 2524; In the nature of a substitute.

00324 15-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2523 Rejected Bingaman Amdt. No. 2523; To provide for judicial review of detention of enemy combatants.

00323 15-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2518 Agreed to Warner Amdt. No. 2518; To clarify and recommend changes to the policy of the United States on Iraq and to require reports on certain matters relating to Iraq.

00322 15-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2519 Rejected Levin Amdt. No. 2519; To clarify and recommend changes to the policy of the United States on Iraq and to require reports on certain matters relating to Iraq.

00321 14-Nov H.R. 2419 On the Conference Report Agreed to H.R. 2419 Conference Report; Energy and Water Development Appropriations Act, 2006

00320 10-Nov H.R. 3057 On the Conference Report Agreed to Conference Report To Accompany H.R. 3057; Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 2006

00319 10-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2516 Agreed to Graham Amdt. No. 2516; Relating to the review of the status of detainees of the United States Government.

00318 10-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2507 Agreed to Kerry Amdt. No. 2507 As Amended; To require reports on clandestine facilities for the detention of individuals captured in the global war on terrorism.

00317 10-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2477 Agreed to Talent Amdt. No. 2477; To modify the multiyear procurement authority for C-17 aircraft.

00316 10-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2476 Rejected Dorgan Amdt. No. 2476; To establish a special committee of the Senate to investigate the awarding and carrying out of contracts to conduct activities in Afghanistan and Iraq and to fight the war on terrorism.

00315 09-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2473 Rejected Durbin Amdt. No. 2473, as modified; To provide for eligibility for retired pay for non-regular service.

00314 09-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2433 Agreed to Chambliss Amdt. No. 2433; To reduce the eligibility age for receipt of non-regular military service retired pay for members of the Ready Reserve in active federal status or on active duty for significant periods.

00313 09-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2443 Agreed to Ensign Amdt. No. 2443; To restate United States policy on the use of riot control agents by members of the Armed Forces, and for other purposes.

00312 09-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2440 Agreed to Inhofe Amdt. No. 2440 As Modified; To ensure by law the ability of the military service academies to include the offering of a voluntary, nondenominational prayer as an element of their activities.

00311 08-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2427 Rejected Levin Amdt. No. 2427; To make available, with an offset, an additional $50,000,000 for Operation and Maintenance for Cooperative Threat Reduction.

00310 08-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2442 Agreed to Byrd Amdt. No. 2442 As modified; To provide for a report on the establishment of a Deputy Secretary of Defense for Management.

00309 08-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2430 Rejected Levin Amdt. No. 2430; To establish a national commission on policies and practices on the treatment of detainees since September 11, 2001.

00308 08-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2436 Rejected Snowe Amdt. No. 2436 As Modified; To require the Secretary of Defense, subject to a national security exception, to offer to transfer to local redevelopment authorities for no consideration real property and personal property located at military installations that are closed or realigned as part of the 2005 round of defense base closure and realignment, and to clarify that the requirement does not affect certain property interests.

00307 08-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2424 Agreed to Nelson (FL) Amdt. No. 2424; To repeal the requirement for the reduction of certain Survivor Benefit Plan annuities by the amount of dependency and indemnity compensation and to modify the effective date for paid-up coverage under the Survivor Benefit Plan.

00306 08-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2438 Rejected Harkin Amdt. No. 2438; Relating to the American Forces Network.

00305 08-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2439 Agreed to Inhofe Amdt. No. 2439; Relating to the American Forces Network.

00304 07-Nov S. 1042 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2423 Rejected Allard Amdt. No. 2423; To authorize a program to provide health, medical, and life insurance benefits to workers at the Rocky Flats Environmental Technology Site, Colorado, who would otherwise fail to qualify for such benefits because of an early physical completion date.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_109_1.htm

of levin's amendment were included in the defense authorization bill (1042?), or the defense appropriations bill?

can you tell, somehow, if that passed after thursday afternoon, when they said it might reconvene on december 26?

i do not know any way, short of calling the house clerk on monday, which would be too late.

the information in the articles and letters are of the amendment after it was reworked, after november.

thank you for all that work!


peace!

some here have been saying; just as many articles have said, the house did pass it on thursday night.

i can not believe it, but it's true.

our sens and reps passed the legalization of torture, hidden behind a supposed anti-torture amendment.

now, i go :puke:

thank you all, who care so intensely


peace

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r109:49:./temp/~r109ylemrY::

(from Congressional Record, thursday, 22nd)

THE FY 2006 DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS CONFERENCE REPORT (H.R. 2863), AS AMENDED BY THE SENATE -- (Extensions of Remarks - December 22, 2005)


GPO's PDF
---SPEECH OF
HON. CHRIS VAN HOLLEN
OF MARYLAND
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2005
Mr. VAN HOLLEN. Mr. Speaker, we are here today because the Senate rightly rejected the Defense Appropriations conference report--not because they didn't support our troops, but because they honored their service enough to insist on a military spending bill unsullied by special interest politics.
While I continue to have concerns about a number of unrelated provisions in the underlying bill, I also believe it is critical to ensure that our soldiers get the equipment they need to protect themselves and succeed in their missions.
Therefore, with the ANWR issue out of the way, I am prepared to support this legislation and forward it to the President for his signature.

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more to come. just found and looking on.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r109:50:./temp/~r109ylemrY::

(message from House to Senate on thursday night)

MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE -- (Senate - December 22, 2005)


GPO's PDF
--- At 8:03 p.m., a message from the House of Representatives, delivered by

GPO's PDFMr. Hays, announced that the House has passed the following bill, in which it requests the concurrence of the Senate:

H.R. 4647. An act to amend the USA PATRIOT ACT to extend the sunset of certain provisions of such Act.


The message also announced that the House has passed the bill (S. 2170) to amend the USA PATRIOT ACT to extend the sunset of certain provisions of that Act and the lone wolf provision of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 to July 1, 2006, with an amendment.

The message further announced that the House has passed the concurrent resolution (S. Con. Res. 74) correcting the enrollment of H.R. 2863 , without amendment.

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emphasis mine


THEY DID PASS IT!!!!!!!!

damn

fight it on the next possible levels.


peace and solidarity!

The biggest loophole is the phrasing about whether torture was "intentional" or not. The US professor (forget his name) said that basically, this so-called compromise with the White House LEGALIZES torture because of this loophole.

God forbid I hear this discussed on US television....No, I have to listen to shortwave radio to get the news....

hear it was on the air, until i saw you wrote it was on CBC. arrrgh! sure enough, not here!!

"LEGALIZES torture" and all dems let this pass without making a storm about it. most voting for it, in the end.

sigh...


peace!

torture. The news blackout only keeps our own people ignorant.

And why didn't more of the Dems speak up? There is NO EXCUSE for this. And we can't let John McCain continue to wrap himself in the mantle of "Mr. Clean & Decent, the Anti-Torture Candidate," either. He knew very well what was happening and he did nothing to prevent it, so far as I have heard. Not a peep. One wonders just when in this tortuous (as it were) and at least partially secret process he came onboard as a supporter of a loophole that undermines his loudly proclamed bill. From the beginning?

add-on of the Graham-Levin-Kyl amendment. which is to say, as you know, he knew full well that he was getting credit for a bold-face lie that torture would be banned.

scary man, mccain.
more to come of action on this.


peace and solidarity!

in secret says it all about our present government: run by criminals by criminals, reported on by bought-and-paid-for propagandists.

Welcome to the 4th Reich. Meanwhile, most of the country is more concerned about the latest Hollywood gossip.

all, isn't it, Nothing Without Hope?

a free press was so important in the foundation of this country. it is absolutely indispensible as the check and balance of power.

once they bought and paid for - and threatened in some cases - the media, they had a free hand, and this is what comes of that.

it is an outrage!

thank you for all your efforts on this, Nothing Without Hope!


peace and solidarity!

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Levin-Kyl amendment allowing evidence obtained by torture and much more:



A must-read. The infamous passage of the Graham-Levin-Kyl outrage is NOT the end.

must fight this, so i am given new hope when i read this and hear you say that, Nothing Without Hope!

please keep on! and i will too!


peace and solidarity!