Fed Judge: Govt can target US citizens returning from religious conference

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Judge Rules Government Can Target American Citizens Returning From Religious Conferences as Terrorists (12/22/2005)

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NEW YORK - In a case brought by the American Civil Liberties Union and the New York Civil Liberties Union, a federal judge in Buffalo, NY ruled today that the federal government can treat innocent American citizens as terrorists when returning to the United States from religious conferences, say the organizations.

“As this decision demonstrates, we now are reaching a point in this country where the ‘war on terrorism’ has turned into a war on the constitution,” said New York Civil Liberties Union Executive Director Donna Lieberman. “With the recent disclosures about government spying on political activity, we no longer can trust our government to respect our most cherished traditions, including our right to religious freedom.”

Judge William Skretny dismissed the lawsuit brought on behalf of American citizens who were detained for up to six hours, interrogated, fingerprinted and photographed by border authorities when they returned from a large, mainstream Islamic conference that took place last December in Toronto, Canada. Under the ruling, the government is free to repeat its actions for this year’s conference, which is scheduled to start tomorrow.

“It is hard to believe that a court would dismiss what the government did to innocent Americans as simply ‘unfortunate and understandably frustrating.’ It is also fundamentally unconstitutional and we are confident that the appeals court will ultimately vindicate their fundamental rights,” continued Lieberman.

Noting that “here is no information whatsoever to suggest, and the government does not contend, that plaintiffs are anything other than law-abiding American citizens,” the court nonetheless held that the government was free to treat all of the plaintiffs as potential terrorists because the government had intelligence suggesting that people involved in terrorism might be attending an Islamic conference like the Toronto conference. On the basis of this information, the Department of Homeland Security directed border agents across the country to process as potential terrorists every single person they could identify as returning from an Islamic conference last December. The Toronto conference, which featured high-level Canadian political leaders and law-enforcement officials as speakers, was attended by over 10,000 people.

“When law-abiding American citizens cannot attend religious conferences without being treated as terrorists by our government, our constitution and the most important values of our society are in peril,” said New York Civil Liberties Union Associate Legal Director Christopher Dunn, who is lead counsel on the case. “We will appeal this decision and vigorously pursue our claim that concerns about terrorism do not eradicate the constitutional rights of American citizens.”

Despite today’s ruling, several plaintiffs plan to attend this year’s conference, “I believe in religious freedom, and I will not allow the federal government to intimidate me out of that belief,” said plaintiff Hassan Shibley.

Other New York Civil Liberties Union attorneys working on the case are staff attorneys Udi Ofer and Corey Stoughton and cooperating attorney Michael Wishnie. Catherine Kim of the ACLU is also counsel on the case. They are being assisted by students from the Allard K. Lowenstein Human Rights Clinic at Yale Law School.

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/23213prs20051222.html

If the government has proper information to suggest that SOMEONE attending the conference might be involved in terrorism, that is probable cause. I say proper because we see how improper information can be used liberally. However, acting on the basis of information of this nature is not inherently unconstitutional, even though most or possibly all people so detained and interrogated are innocent, and however politically injurious this might be to America to do so in such a blunt manner. None of that makes this in the slightest illegal since the information is fairly specific, and NOT a blanket approval to treat ALL citizens returning from ANY religious conference (or any Moslem religious conference) as a possible terrorist, which is what you might take from reading the first paragraph here if you didn't read the rest and used your freedom of thought in a constructive manner.

WHO may be of interest and target that individual for further investigation. They cannot just shake down everyone who attended just because they were there. Read the 4th amendment. The ACLU does have a case.
This is the same tactic the government is using in the wiretap fiasco. Targeting everybody with a great big net, and we know that's illegal.

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the JudeoChristian religion as the majority.

Now if you or I went to some overseas conference that was in any way related to the JudeoChristian religions, the equivalent would be detaining us as we returned home.

This is a kind of profiling that is wrong and illegal.

The religious conference was mainstream Muslim, not radical.

It was not a terrorist training camp.

SOMEone, SOMEwhere, might be plotting ANYTHING.

My bank may be robbed tomorrow by my neighbor, who might be plotting right now. So SOMEone on my street is a FUTURE criminal.
Is that a knock I hear on my door?

that is . . . Christian Fundamentalists.