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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:23 AM
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Is it a real "war" ?
Did we get attacked by another country? No one can argue that we did not lose a lot of lives on 9/11 to a bunch of criminal hijackers but was it a declaration of war? If so, by whom? Was it Iraq?

Did they have plans on hitting us again? Are they capable of hitting us again or have we destroyed most of their "base"? How do we know we are winning if we don't know who we are fighting?
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:41 AM
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1. No, it is not a 'real' war. It is a violent occupation.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:48 AM
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2. No.
A war requires a declaration of war.

Congress did not declare war.

Therefore Bush is a peacetime President who has illegally and unconstitutionally invaded another country without provocation.

Doug D.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:52 AM
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3. I think using the word "war" is good
Good, I say! I was glad when they started using it because for everyone on the ground in Iraq, from the US soldiers to the Iraqi civilians, this is a bloody, horrible war and I want Bush to be labeled as the scum who started it.

War = Bad. Occupations can go on forever, and aren't seen as something with a specific end. "Wars" need to end eventually and Bush doesn't provide an end game. Going to "War" demands a clear, obvious threat, which Bush cannot produce. The War in Iraq is different from any "War on Terror" which is something that Bush is no longer able to get away with convoluting. War has consequences, especially if you lie to start one.


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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:02 AM
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4. just stealing another country's oil (is called a war)
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:14 AM
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5. No, it was not a war. As you said, it was a bunch of criminals.
And as you know, it certainly was NOT Iraq who did it.

Of course, I don't believe it was Bin Laden--or, if it was, he did it with collusion from his friends the BFEE.

Here's the key (as you know already): "HOW DO WE KNOW WE ARE WINNING IF WE DON'T KNOW WHO WE ARE FIGHTING?" And here's your answer, Citizen: Don't worry, President Bush will tell you how we're doing, if we are winning, and HE will worry about who we are fighting--so that YOU don't have to worry your little citizen head about these Big Important Foreign Policy questions.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:23 AM
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6. not war
corporate colonialism
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:24 AM
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7. The word "war" has been bothering me lately
It is used as an excuse for defying the constitution or keeping the press quiet, stifling dissent: "we are at war."

When I think of war, I think of something that is not voluntary, something that we were dragged into, something that needs to be done although we don't want to do it, something that we cannot leave without endangering the US.

This is not "war" in that regard. We voluntarily planned and executed the overthrow of a government and now are occupying a country. We are using the lives of our men and women to sustain this attack based on a political and ideological whim.

He took us into this mess and then is using the mess as an excuse to re-define American values. Of course, that was the plan all along.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:35 PM
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8. It became a war
The minute the dictator-tot turned it into one.
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