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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:16 AM
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Pro-War Group Running Ads That We found WMD & Saddam Connected to al Queda
This should be illegal.


Some Conservatives Return to Old Argument
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113572887635032543-MBBcaDkXJAQBlIrm5UujD1fj5qw_20061227.html?mod=rss_free

Excerpt:
"WASHINGTON -- The television commercials are attention-grabbing: Newly found Iraqi documents show that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, including anthrax and mustard gas, and had "extensive ties" to al Qaeda. The discoveries are being covered up by those "willing to undermine support for the war on terrorism to selfishly advance their shameless political ambitions."

The hard-hitting spots are part of a recent public-relations barrage aimed at reversing a decline in public support for President Bush's handling of Iraq. But these advertisements aren't paid for by the Republican National Committee or other established White House allies. Instead, they are sponsored by Move America Forward, a media-savvy outside advocacy group that has become one of the loudest -- and most controversial -- voices in the Iraq debate.

While even Mr. Bush now publicly acknowledges the mistakes his administration made in judging the threat posed by Mr. Hussein, the organization is taking to the airwaves to insist that the White House was right all along."
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:17 AM
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1. The Republican war on reality continues.
If they keep saying its true long enough, it will become true you know.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:41 AM
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2. Move America Foward has Tax Exempt Status!!
More of their work:

1) Gray Davis recall.
2) John Bolton's nomination.
3) I "heart" Gitmo bumper stickers.
4) Counter/Anti-Sheehan campaign.

Again and may I reiterate, this group has tax exempt status!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:45 AM
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3. Tax Exempt????????
Un-fricking-believable.

NONE of our laws actually mean a damn thing anymore,
do they?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:46 AM
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4. How on earth are they tax exempt???
All four of those things seem pretty political to me. Are you sure?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:50 AM
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5. from the WSJ article
Excerpt:
Liberals question how the group has maintained its status as a tax-exempt nonprofit organization, which requires strict nonpartisanship, given the anti-Democratic tone of its campaigns. The group's Web site, www.moveamericaforward.org, for example, attacks the current chairman of the Democratic National Committee, referring to "Howard Dean types who only see a future of failure for this country."

"When you have people participating in partisan activities with nonprofit dollars, that's really something the IRS needs to look at," says Tom Matzzie, the Washington director of the liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org, another frequent target for Move America Forward's rhetoric. "An organization with a shady tax status participating in partisan activities and saying things that aren't true is a rogue element in American politics."

An Internal Revenue Service spokeswoman declined to address the issue, saying that it is agency policy not to "comment on individual taxpayers or organizations." MoveOn is a "political action committee," meaning its donations aren't tax-deductible and must be disclosed.

Move America Forward officials acknowledge that the group's leadership is conservative, but insist they are nonpartisan and point out that the organization also has criticized Republicans. They say that the organization has no connections to the Bush administration or the Republican Party and has been unable to get meetings with White House personnel. And they say there is no conflict between the organization's advocacy work and Mr. Russo's financial ties to the Kurdish regional government in northern Iraq.

"If you consider being pro-America and pro-troop to be Republican, then we'll proudly take that label," Ms. Morgan says. "But we've never been embraced by the White House or made part of a secret-right wing conspiracy."
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 04:26 AM
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9. non-partisan? wtf
but insist they are nonpartisan and point out that the organization also has criticized Republicans


as in "your not torturing enough Iraqis, 'phone-tapping enough Quakers, spying on enough cyclists..." ?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:01 AM
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6. " Newly found Iraqi documents "
No weapons, just documents. And newly "found" to boot. Snake oil directly from the snake.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:16 AM
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7. "being covered up by those "willing to undermine support for the war"
Covered up? By whom? By someone in power to cover up I would guess. How does someone out of power, cover up WMD, when the people in power want so desperately to find WMD. Diabolical.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:21 AM
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8. The media has fallen to a new low
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 04:51 AM
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10. Move America Forward should have their phones tapped
Once the Democrats get the presidency--and the full powers of the Patriot Act--back.

Move America Forward is a terrorist organization. They advocate policies that result in deaths of thousands of innocent people around the world.

Therefore, they need to be watched.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 04:52 AM
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11. Delete
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 04:53 AM by bluestateguy
I duped my post. Dammned dial-up computer.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:37 AM
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12. From Move America Forward
On perusal of their website, I found their mission statement. It is unbelievable these people have tax exempt status.
http://www.moveamericaforward.org/


Working Together To Help Move America Forward !
Move America Forward is a non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to preserving our American heritage of freedom and liberty.

Among the many accomplishments of Move America Forward to date:
(Excerpts)

* Move America Forward was the leading organization to publicly speak out against Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 - exposing it as an Anti-American propaganda piece filled with countless inaccuracies and misrepresentations.

* Exposed the partnership between Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" distribution companies and the terrorist group, Hezbollah, which worked to help make sure the Anti-American film was seen throughout the Middle East.

* We've broadcast more than one dozen television and radio commercials throughout the nation advocating support for our troops and the fight against terrorism and speaking out against the United Nations. Our ads have been seen by more than 100 million Americans.

* Started petition drive to kick the UN out of the USA -- we've collected approximately 100,000 signatures to date.

* We've been a leading voice speaking out against the United Nations' "Oil for Food" scam, the abuse and sexual assault of children by U.N. workers, and the failure of the U.N. to fight the terrorist organizations that threaten freedom-loving nations around the globe.

* After being approached by the Walt Disney Corporation, we conducted a high-profile screening of Disney's "America's Heart & Soul" -- a pro-American alternative to Moore's hate-filled diatribe. Political leaders, community leaders, members of the public and news media attended this by-invitation-only event.

* Rallied hundreds of thousands of Americans to register their support for pro-American patriot, John Bolton, to serve as the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations

* Conducted two exclusive, by-invitation-only screenings of the documentary "Celsius 41.11" which was created by Citizens United.

* Spoke out against and stopped the CA Legislature from giving a "Profile in Courage" award to former accused spy Wen Ho Lee

We're proud of the success we've had in fighting to make America an even greater nation. Unlike Michael Moore or the "Blame America First" crowd or the MoveOn.org/Howard Dean types who only see a future of failure for this country, we see a future where freedom and liberty create endless opportunities for Americans and our friends and allies around the world.

We invite you to join with us -- by signing up to help Move America Forward today!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:37 AM
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18. ooof....oh....ooooof.....ack!
:puke:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:47 AM
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13. Part of the problem is that admiting 'mistakes' leaves the door open
to these type of ads.



While even Mr. Bush now publicly acknowledges the mistakes his administration made in judging the threat posed by Mr. Hussein, the organization is taking to the airwaves to insist that the White House was right all along."
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 06:45 AM
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14. Run America into the Ground
Sounds like a covert public information warfare operation.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:31 AM
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17. good alternate name!
It certainly describes their effect.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 08:07 AM
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15. Of course, they gloss over the fact that the "WMDs" found were found
by our troops with the UN security seals unbroken and in the places we knew they were at . . . and then, under orders, left unguarded for use by the insurgents . . . even though the stuff had expired long past the time it would be effective . . .

:eyes:
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 08:53 AM
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16. "outside advocacy group" Yes, they have NO TIES AT ALL to the
Republican Party, just like Focus On The Family Action has absolutely no ties to Focus On The Family in spite of a direct link to them on their webpage, and that all of the same people (Dobson et al) are running things!

They even say so {link:www.focusaction.org/articles/a0000002.cfm|right there in black and white]!!!

"Focus on the Family Action is a new cultural action organization that is completely separate from Focus on the Family, legally."

Garsh, that almost sounds like some kinda LEGAL mumbo jumbo, huh?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:48 AM
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19. thank goodness we can rely on Gonzales to correct this travesty!
Not.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:54 AM
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20. Funny how this joint is tax-exempt
while that church in California is under investigation for making an anti-war sermon. :wtf:
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:16 PM
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21. Let's just suppose that these people aren't talking out of their asses.
What would that mean? For the left, for America, for everyone?
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