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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 03:47 AM
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Help me here.. What's wrong in OHIO??
Edited on Sat Dec-31-05 03:48 AM by The Sushi Bandit
I see so many posts on all the crazyness going on in OHIO..

Im from Maui, please tell me!!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 03:58 AM
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1. It's a long long story. I'll give you a short sketch.
Edited on Sat Dec-31-05 03:59 AM by shraby
Apparently a man named Noe got money (millions) from the state, I think it was the retirement fund, to invest. Noe is a coin dealer, so he invested in coins..and lost money (millions). When he first got the money, he skimmed some (a couple million) for his own use and took some to give to people to donate to the Republican party because he had maxed his contributions out.
He had a partner in (I think) Nevada who was helping with the coin investments. The cops raided the partner's home and took records, etc., but left the investments at the house. Believe it or not, he kept the stuff at his house. The cops locked the place up and left. The next day or so they went back and the house had been broken into and all the investment stuff had been stolen.
Haven't heard much about it for a few months but Noe is in deep doo doo.

The governor is in trouble partly because of this and some other stuff he's done and the rest of the government is so dirty that it would take a super-computer to sort it out.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 04:05 AM
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2. Wow! messy stuff..
will the gov. go down???
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 04:07 AM
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3. So far last I read, his poll numbers can't
Edited on Sat Dec-31-05 04:09 AM by shraby
go any lower, but he won't resign as he has been encouraged to do.

The Toledo Blade newspaper was covering it real good. Maybe if you find their site they will have some of the stories archived.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 04:44 AM
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4. But Guess Who is The Favorite to Replace Him?


and he is a shoo-in to win, because he counts the votes!

Look what he did to referenda last month!
From winning 2-1 to "losing" 2-1.

:grr: :grr: :grr:
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Herstal Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 09:07 PM
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13. That's a mistake.
The Secretary of State does not count the votes in Ohio. A county board made of two Democrats and two Republicans does. I had the pleasure of observing once, a number of years ago.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 03:23 AM
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16. Blackwell Does not Literally Count the Votes, But He Controls the Process
to such a great extent that he can rig elections at will.

How else does one explain the 30 point shift in this year's referenda?
Polls are NEVER off by that much.
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Herstal Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 12:59 PM
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17. I disagree.
The SOS office doesn't have the power. The reasons that issues 2-5 all failed is because they were too complicated. When average Joe walks into a voting booth and sees that the referendum he has to vote on is two pages long, he's going to be confused and vote "no" by default.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 06:48 AM
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6. Correction, it was from the State Workers Compensation fund
As an OPERS member, I can confirm it did not come from the Ohio Public Employees pension fund...now...I cannot confirm anything about the State Teachers Fund or the Ohio Police and fire fund...

BUT, the gigantic portion of the money came from a fund designed to protect injured workers.

Everyone needs to wait and see how deep not only Noe is, but I betcha dollars to donuts that Bob Ney and Jack Abramoff are also part of this stink.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 01:21 PM
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7. Thank you. I couldn't remember cause I haven't
read any articles about it lately. Thanks for clearing it up.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 02:04 PM
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8. Has congressman like Kucinich weighed-in on
.. trying to fix these issues?
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 09:16 PM
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10. It was WORKERS' COMP fund he stole Millions from, money-laundered
through rare coins...to invest in various Repug campaigns nationwide in '04...Shrub and Ahnaaallld included.

Yet in being upset about Noe scandal, NO ONE focuses on the fact it was WORKERS' COMP MONEY. And that because it was stolen from THAT fund, LOTS of REALLY injured and ill workers did NOT receive compensation when they needed it because the money was gone...spent on Repug campaigns nationwide. While some people may have little empathy for injured workers, it's a reality that there ARE injuries on-the-job in ALL professions. And from that, medical bills and DESERVED compensation.

Yet because no one is focusing on the Workers' Comp angle of the Noe scandal, we are ignoring NATIONWIDE how similar skimming from Workers' Comp money may STILL be going on. Ahnaallld was specifically brought in place of Gray Davis to "reform" Workers' Comp program. What "reform" meant...
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Kindigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 06:19 AM
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5. And may I point out
so there's no confusion. Ohio and Iowa are two different states, neither of which grows potatoes.

Thank you, and good morning :)
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Herstal Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 09:10 PM
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15. Potato farm family here!
My family has potatos growing on our (absentee owned) farm in Iowa, and I've seen Ohio grown potatos at Kroger!
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jen4clark Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 03:35 PM
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9. Sushi Bandit! If you really want to know
here's some links:

Voinovich appointment started Noe's rise

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050904/NEWS24/50904016


Ohio Coin Gate gets blown WIDE OPEN

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/3/151927/9044


Ohio's "Coingate" Scandal: How It Exposes the Flaws of Our Campaign Finance System

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20050707_tokaji.html


google "ohio corruption" or "coin gate ohio" or any such combination if you want to read more.


Oh, and corruption in Ohio is not recent... Seems the Bush's had their start in our fair state oh so many years ago...


Early Days

The founder of the modern Bush dynasty was Samuel Prescott Bush, an Ohio steel executive, whose Buckeye Steel Castings Co. business projects included making parts for the Harriman railway empire. Before becoming President of Buckeye (1905-1927), Samuel Bush held a railroad position in Pennsylvania. He was the son of the Rev. James Smith Bush and Harriet Fay. Samuel graduated from the Stevens Institute of Technology in 1884, and ten years later married Flora Sheldon, with whom he had four surviving children, Prescott, Mary, Margaret and James. Of these his son Prescott Sheldon Bush was to be his father's dynastic successor. Samuel's money was not to give him immunity from personal tragedy however, for his wife Flora was to be killed when struck by a car in 1920. Samuel later remarried Martha Bell Carter of Milwaukee.

For many years Samuel was a leading member of the National Association of Manufacturers, and for a time was President of the Ohio Manufacturer's Association. Later he was to be an advisor to the disastrous Depression-era President Herbert Hoover on business and unemployment issues. He began the Bush family's abiding interest in golf, baseball, tennis and football. His old company Buckeye Steel endured for many years, but under new ownership filed for bankruptcy reorganization in Dec. 2002.

After the US entered World War I in April 1917, Samuel Bush obtained a position as head of the War Industries Board's Ordnance, Small Arms and Ammunition Section. This is surprising, considering he had no background in armaments. There was a hidden logic. As an apparent 'cleanskin' suitable for a sensitive official position, Bush already had powerful patrons eager to put his name forward. We can note for example Frank and Percy Rockefeller, whose famous family had moved to gain control of the Remington Arms Company in 1914. (Frank Rockefeller, a brother of clan head John D. Rockefeller, was the previous President of Buckeye Steel).

Then there was a certain George Sheldon, a director of the huge Bethlehem Steel Corp., which like Remington benefited enormously from World War I. George Sheldon was also a vice-president of the Navy League, which was subsidised by steel & arms makers to agitate for a massive naval expansion advantageous to them.

Finally, the War Industries Board was itself headed by Bernard M. Baruch, a Wall St. speculator who had close personal and business ties to E.H. Harriman, father of the closest friend of Bush's son Prescott at Yale. Sometimes the associations of their children can bring advancement to parents just as readily as the reverse. In Samuel Bush's later years he was to remain closely associated with the high-flying Baruch. In the America of the day, big money stuck together closer than clotted cream.

So the link between the Bushes, war, patriotism and profits was now firmly established through an informal network of influence. It has continued ever since.

The Merchants of Death

The period following the Civil War in the US and the Franco-Prussian War in Europe opened both a great general industrial expansion and the largest explosion of arms manufacturing ever known until the modern era. It was a time of huge fortunes being built by ruthless industrialists and bankers. These gentlemen, later styled the "robber barons" by historians, look little better than gangsters in retrospect. However many of them founded family dynasties whose descendants were to become not only rich but also eminently respectable. In some cases, like that of the Carnegies and the Rockefellers, much of their fortunes were later to be used worldwide for considerable good. In other cases, like the Bush family, the further accumulation of money and power remained the primary goal...


The aftermath


After World War I there were enquiries into the huge and senseless slaughter during that monstrous conflict, and into those who benefited by it. In one such, people such as Samuel Bush were labeled Merchants of Death when it became clear both that large armaments companies had deliberately fostered an arms race to stimulate their business and that some officials had conspired to assist their wholesale profiteering.

Strangely, most (but fortunately not all) of the detailed US records of the Samuel Bush wartime transactions later disappeared from the relevant Archives and have never been recovered. This pattern was not to be unique. The present President has busily censored damaging reports, tried to block enquiries, and sealed off many records from public scrutiny, some permanently. Wherever the Bushes have been, "cleaners" seem to follow them.

In 1944 Samuel Bush's Buckeye Steel was to be awarded a huge government arms contract, to make armor casings for shells. For a second time this Bush was to profit from" fighting the Germans", this time a Nazi state that his own son had been instrumental in founding and nourishing.

The revulsion that followed World War I led to attempts to regulate the arms trade, and prevent arms dealers from ever again entering into corrupt alliances with politicians and military personnel. Today, however, under the Presidency of George W. Bush the appalling situation that existed prior to W.W.I now prevails again in America. A Government of "war from business and business from war" now controls the world's only superpower. And once more the Bush family thrives as others suffer and die. Let's continue the full story with the next generation of the Bush family...



-much more fun history at: A Government of Thieves

http://www.e-book.com.au/electionspecial04.htm









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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 08:51 PM
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11. Wow..some heavy stuff there!
thanks!
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 09:00 PM
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12. Our Govnr. and SoS are damn stealing lying cheating bastards n/t.
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Herstal Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 09:09 PM
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14. I don't think Taft is smart enough.
Maybe his puppeteer is though?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 01:32 PM
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18. Also, Ohio Dem Party is weak
Dems have been out of power for so long in Ohio that the state party organization is fractured and divided. Most of the existing state party machinery was recently consolidated by a conservative Dem machine that has run and lost all of the statewide elections in the last 10 years. Some have even supported Repubicans over Dems, particularly in the last governor's race when many refused to activate their networks to fundraise and campaign for the Dem candidate. Same thing happened in 2000 against Gore/Lieberman. They still have some strong opposition in the form of Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones. Dennis Kucinich has stayed out of the fight.

The upside is the online grassroots community of Dems in Ohio, which is growing stronger every day in number, volunteer effort and fundraising.
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