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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:07 AM
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Re Feingold resolution from E.J. Dionne: "Can Democrats Play This Game?"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/16/AR2006031601303.html

Can Democrats Play This Game?
By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Friday, March 17, 2006; A19

Russ Feingold tossed a political grenade at President Bush this week, but it fell into the middle of the Senate Democratic Caucus. Many Democratic senators ran away.

Here's the problem: Feingold and the activists are right that Democrats can't just take a pass on the wiretapping issue, because Bush's legal claims are so suspect -- even to many in his own party. The opposition's job is to raise alarms over potential abuses of presidential power.

<>But Democrats, unlike Republicans, have yet to develop a healthy relationship between activists willing to test and expand the conventional limits on political debate and the politicians who have to calculate what works in creating an electoral majority.

For two decades, Republicans have used their idealists, their ideologues and their loudmouths to push the boundaries of discussion to the right. In the best of all worlds, Feingold's strong stand would redefine what's "moderate" and make clear that those challenging the legality of the wiretapping are neither extreme nor soft on terrorism.

That would demand coordination, trust and, yes, calculation involving both the vote-counting politicians and the guardians of principle among the activists. Republicans have mastered this art. Democrats haven't.

Turning a minority into a majority requires both passion and discipline. Bringing the two together requires effective leadership. Does anybody out there know how to play this game?
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:16 AM
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1. Marathon Co Dem's in WI voted to support Russ
It's time for office holding/seeking Dem's stop sitting on their hands and hoping people still vote for them because they are nice and "well behaved". It's time to take a stand and hold criminals accountable, the republicans are supposedly tough on crime (except when it's their crime). Dem's need to be tough on all crime no matter who commits it.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:24 AM
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2. If you want to play to the common sense of folks,
it isn't about pandering to the fascists. It's about enforcing our laws and defending our Constitution. Loudly decrying Bush's crimes is not extremist, it's just the basic job of a Congress person/Senator.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:30 AM
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4. Is the president above the law or beyond accountability to the people?
That is the question, and we finally have a Democrats with the balls to ask it. Where is the Democratic leadership to take advantage of this opening? How low does Bush have to go in the polls for them to step up to the plate and demand accountability from this imperial president?

We need to let them know we support Feingold's censure resolution to Bush accountable. Let them hear from you over their upcoming spring break next week.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:30 AM
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3. Spot on!
"...But Democrats, unlike Republicans, have yet to develop a healthy relationship between activists willing to test and expand the conventional limits on political debate and the politicians who have to calculate what works in creating an electoral majority.

For two decades, Republicans have used their idealists, their ideologues and their loudmouths to push the boundaries of discussion to the right. In the best of all worlds, Feingold's strong stand would redefine what's "moderate" and make clear that those challenging the legality of the wiretapping are neither extreme nor soft on terrorism.

That would demand coordination, trust and, yes, calculation involving both the vote-counting politicians and the guardians of principle among the activists. Republicans have mastered this art. Democrats haven't..."



The trashing of the Dean campaign & us Deaniacs by the party proper is a prime example.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 10:10 AM
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7. You hit the nail on the head
"The trashing of the Dean campaign & us Deaniacs by the party proper is a prime example."
You are soooooo right. They have succumb to the bullies - they pick on someone that stands up so that they can deflect the bullying from themselves. The republicans are bullies and the Dem's the bullied who are all to willing to dish it out to someone else to "fit in" in Washington.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:35 AM
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5. sometimes i get the sense
that Democrats are on their own and don't fully discuss things with eachother before they do them in public. And yet everything Republicans do seems to be well-timed and coordinated and everyone knows their role.

its frustrating.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:36 AM
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6. Good to see Dionne recognize the "angry activist base" that's formed
around two stolen Presidential Elections and has turned out hundreds of thousands of Protestors against the Iraq Invasion and has worked for change at the DNC by supporting Howard Dean as chairman over money bags hacks.

Dionne doesn't recognize that people like John Conyers and a few others have been our leaders...but they've been pushed into having hearings in the Basement of Congress with little coverage by the MSM without C-Span coverage no one would have even been able to watch them.

Dionne in some ways takes the inside Beltway view that somehow we are too angry maybe with a hidden implication that we are conspiracy theorists because he fails to mention the voting problems...but at least he recognizes we are out here an compares us to how the Right Wing base of the Repug Party became a force to reckon with.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 10:31 AM
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8. Another excellent piece by Dionne. (eom)
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 11:38 AM
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9. as per usual dionne gets it.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 02:13 PM
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10. Damn right. We have to use our right to define what's "moderate".
Since Reagan, they've been skewing the definitions of "moderate" and "reasonable" and "extreme" without any meaningful opposition.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:48 PM
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11. Dionne's wrong saying "Republican's have mastered this
art".

Republican's are able to "use their idealists, their ideologues and their loudmouths to push the boundaries of discussion to the right" because they control the means by which that discussion gets heard. They own the media.

It's not a problem with leadership.

It's a problem that every time a Democrat opens their mouths the MSM is standing by to shove whatever they say right back down their throats, with the RNC standing right over their shoulder giving directions.

Instead of blaming the Democrat's problem on a lack of leadership, Dionne should address the real issue. It's hard to "play this game" when the refereess are all working for the other team.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:56 PM
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12. Excellent point, paulk. You ought to pass this on to Dionne.
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 06:58 PM by flpoljunkie
I think he has a link at the end of his articles. It's postchat@aol.com
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