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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:06 PM
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"and China is standing by to take over ..."
Henry Hyde, of all people, hits one out of the park ... i couldn't believe i was hearing these words from a republican ... i'd be surprised if even most Democrats are willing to say this ...

Old Henry had a few things to say about US foreign policy ...


"Our power, then, has the grave liability of rendering our theories about the world immune from failure. But by becoming deaf to easily discerned warning signs, we may ignore long-term costs that result from our actions and dismiss reverses that should lead to a re-examination of our goals and means."

These are the words of Henry Hyde, chairman of the House international relations committee and a Republican congressman, in a recent speech. Hyde argues that such is the overweening power of the US that it may not hear or recognize the signals when its policy goes badly wrong, a thinly veiled reference to Iraq. He then takes issue with the idea that the US can export democracy around the world as deeply misguided and potentially dangerous. He argues: "A broad and energetic promotion of democracy in other countries that will not enjoy our long-term and guiding presence may equate not to peace and stability but to revolution ... There is no evidence that we or anyone can guide from afar revolutions we have set in motion. We can more easily destabilize friends and others and give life to chaos and to avowed enemies than ensure outcomes in service of our interests and security."


not only does Hyde hit the nail on the head but so does the rest of this article ... if you prefer to remain in your imaginary little all-is-well shell, please spare yourself by not reading the full article ... things sure are getting ugly ...


source: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0328-25.htm

In becoming so catastrophically engaged in the Middle East, making the region its overwhelming global priority, it downgraded the importance of everywhere else, taking its eye off the ball in a crucial region such as east Asia, which in the long run will be far more important to the US's strategic interests than the Middle East. As such, the Iraqi adventure represented a major misreading of global trends and how they are likely to impact on the US. Hyde is clearly thinking in these terms: "We are well advanced into an unformed era in which new and unfamiliar enemies are gathering forces, where a phalanx of aspiring competitors must inevitably constrain and focus options. In a world where the ratios of strength narrow, the consequences of miscalculation will become progressively more debilitating. The costs of golden theories will be paid for in the base coin of our interests." <skip>

But we must remember that Britain's majestic rule vanished in a few short years, undermined by unforeseen catastrophic events and by new threats that eventually overwhelmed the palisades of the past. The life of pre-eminence, as with all life on this planet, has a mortal end. To allow our enormous power to delude us into seeing the world as a passive thing waiting for us to recreate it in an image of our choosing will hasten the day when we have little freedom to choose anything at all." <skip>

Such a myopic view can only hasten the decline of the US as a global power, a process that has already started.

The Bush administration stands guilty of an extraordinary act of imperial overreach which has left the US more internationally isolated than ever before, seriously stretched financially, and guilty of neglect in east Asia and elsewhere. Iraq was supposed to signal the US's new global might: in fact, it may well prove to be a harbinger of its decline. And that decline could be far more precipitous than anyone has previously reckoned. Once the bubble of US power has been pricked, in a global context already tilting in other directions, it could deflate rather more quickly than has been imagined. Hyde's warnings should be taken seriously.



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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:28 PM
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1. It reminds me of a speech I heard delivered by Wes Clark.
He talked about a Chinese fleet stationed off San Diego to protect the human rights of Mexican immigrants from the threat of the "Minutemen". Bushco has set a terrible precedent while destroying our economy.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:34 PM
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2. Probably because he is retiring
He's off the leash. They do that sometimes. You know, start speaking the truth. Which only underscores the fact that what they have been saying was not only bullshit, but they knew it was bullshit and lies all the time. Now they are concerned about the consequences of their own lies. Maybe it's the fear of final judgement or something.

(and yes, Clark and others have been saying this for quite a while)
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:45 PM
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3. Just chalk it up to a "youthful indiscretion" Henry
:evilgrin:
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:54 PM
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4. the repugs are starting....
....to flip, flop and sizzle....sometime around October they'll be pounding the podium demanding the Democrats end their foolish war in Iraq....
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:56 PM
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5. It should always be remembered!
We are providing the security umbrella under which China is operating. (Just finished reading the new Mao bio. and I'm just grumbling to myself.)
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:01 AM
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7. and Chalmers Johnson talked about massive US Navy operations
off the China coast in the next few weeks ...

what's up with that ??
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:04 AM
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9. The MIC driving foreign policy
Did you read my answer on your last thread.

The strategic framework. Any yeah, Hyde is retiring and no longer needs their money.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:33 AM
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11. wow ...
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 12:35 AM by welshTerrier2
that was quite an answer!!!!!! it would be great if you would post that in its own thread ...

sadly, it totally meshes with my own depressing views ... i, as you, retain some hope but as i often say: "sometimes the alligators are plentiful" ...

what i once saw in the MIC was a race for unnecessary federal contracts ... "let us build you that bridge to nowhere" ... i remember challenging an Army General way back in 1970 ... he was a guest speaker in a class i was taking ... he gave this really long speech about how government contracts were issued and how equitable the process was ... i can't remember the exact stat i had read but i asked him why something like 75% of major military procurements went to companies located in Texas while Johnson was President ... the guy eventually got so pissed off because others followed suit that he stormed out of the classroom ... my professor came over and shook my hand ...

but those days, such as they were, were the good old days ... i'm afraid things have gotten much, much worse ... i know you know this ... no longer is the worst we're stuck with merely cost overruns or political favoritism; the country's entire foreign policy apparatus has been co-opted for corporate gain ... not only is it putting our national treasury at real risk but we're facing the very real possibility of global war and the very survival of the country ...

if your message is that Clark speaks in these themes, please educate me ... i see most of the talk of politics here on DU like worrying about the mice while the house is on fire ... until a real opposition party "outs the game" and starts educating the American people about the evils and the sorrows of empire, and those complicit in it, the last grains of sand will continue to drip through the glass ... it's not that "the rest of it" is unimportant; it's just that in the end it won't matter ... until the real war is joined, all progress is illusory ...
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:59 PM
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6. It's a horrible thought....
our new Chinese Masters. All 1.5 billion of them. We will do their bidding........

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:03 AM
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8. I, for one, *welcome* our new Chinese Overlords!
Sorry, I couldn't help it. :D
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:13 AM
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10. Early in the NH '04 primaries Wes Clark said,
" China will clean our clocks if we are not careful."
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:09 AM
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12. Stating the obvious
Of course even that is rare for a Rethug.

Some of us have been saying this for ages. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to see this coming.
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