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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:50 PM
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When will the Left stop pushing Right Wing BS?
The paper's owners include Hollinger International, the company once led by Conrad Black until his arrest warrant following numerous indictments by U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald. Other Sun owners are a group of New York City businessmen, as well as the paper's two founding editors. The paper's staff include many well-known political conservatives. Major backers of the paper include Bruce Kovner, a billionaire financier who is also a backer of the neoconservative Manhattan Institute and American Enterprise Institute, as well as Roger Hertog, a trustee of the American Enterprise Institute, which is associated with the Project for the New American Century. The newspaper's president and editor-in-chief is Seth Lipsky, formerly editor of The Forward, a Jewish-oriented weekly. The Sun's managing editor is Ira Stoll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Sun
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:06 PM
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1. When they stop thinking
that's where the money and power is..Also when they become poor enough to see how pandering to RW bullshit is not in thier self interest.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:20 PM
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2. The Forward is not a rightwing publication
but the Sun definitely was when Black was running Hollinger, which also owns the neocon-run The Jerusalem Post.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:33 PM
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3. someone was peddling NY Sun tripe here?
they should be :spank:'ed
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:53 AM
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4. here you go
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:45 PM
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5. Correct! n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:54 PM
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6. yeah. A book review of a book written by a Democrat
Much like the same material published in US News and World Report, Boston Globe, and other sources.

Of course, all some can do is attack the source but not refute the content (well, no meaningful refutation.)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:22 PM
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7. Believe Beinhart's spin if you want. I call it complete bullshit!
2004:
Read the entire article:

Posted 12/14/2004 11:25 PM Updated 12/14/2004 11:33 PM

Dems gain in 'hidden election'

By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

Nationwide, Democrats added more than 60 legislative seats, reversing the 2002 results that gave Republicans more state legislators than Democrats for the first time in a half century.

Democratic state legislators now outnumber Republicans by two: 3,658 to 3,656. A pair of undecided races could leave it tied.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/state/2004-12-14-dems-hidden-election_x.htm



Any want to debate the 2000 and 2004 stolen elections?


2005:

Democrats set sights on more wins next year

Party holds off Republicans in Va., N.J.; Schwarzenegger measures lose
Updated: 9:36 a.m. ET Nov 9, 2005
Wins in two gubernatorial races and ballot defeats for California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger had Democrats crowing that Tuesday’s elections were the first steps toward bigger victories in mid-term elections next year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9967720



90th Congress (1967-1969)

Majority Party: Democrat (64 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (36 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

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91st Congress (1969-1971)

Majority Party: Democrat (57 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (43 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

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92nd Congress (1971-1973)

Majority Party: Democrat (54 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (44 seats)

Other Parties: 1 Conservative; 1 Independent

Total Seats: 100

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93rd Congress (1973-1975)

Majority Party: Democrat (56 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (42 seats)

Other Parties: 1 Conservative; 1 Independent

Total Seats: 100

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94th Congress (1975-1977)

Majority Party: Democrat (60 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (38 seats)

Other Parties: 1 Conservative; 1 Independent

Total Seats: 100

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95th Congress (1977-1979)

Majority Party: Democrat (61 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (38 seats)

Other Parties: 1 Independent

Total Seats: 100

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96th Congress (1979-1981)

Majority Party: Democrat (58 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (41 seats)

Other Parties: 1 Independent

Total Seats: 100

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97th Congress (1981-1983)

Majority Party: Republican (53 seats)

Minority Party: Democrat (46 seats)

Other Parties: 1 Independent

Total Seats: 100

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98th Congress (1983-1985)

Majority Party: Republican (54 seats)

Minority Party: Democrat (46 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

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99th Congress (1985-1987)

Majority Party: Republican (53 seats)

Minority Party: Democrat (47 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

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100th Congress (1987-1989)

Majority Party: Democrat (55 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (45 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

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101st Congress (1989-1991)

Majority Party: Democrat (55 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (45 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

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102nd Congress (1991-1993)

Majority Party: Democrat (56 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (44 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

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103rd Congress (1993-1995)

Majority Party: Democrat (57 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (43 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

Note: Party division changed to 56 Democrats and 44 Republicans after the June 5, 1993 election of Kay B. Hutchison (R-TX).

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104th Congress (1995-1997)

Majority Party: Republican (52 seats)

Minority Party: Democrat (48 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

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105th Congress (1997-1999)

Majority Party: Republican (55 seats)

Minority Party: Democrat (45 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

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106th Congress (1999-2001)

Majority Party: Republican (55 seats)

Minority Party: Democrat (45 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

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107th Congress (2001-2003)

Majority Party (Jan 3-20, 2001): Democrat (50 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (50 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

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Majority Party (Jan 20-June 6, 2001): Republican (50 seats)

Minority Party: Democrat (50 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

______

Majority Party (June 6, 2001-November 12, 2002 --): Democrat (50 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (49 seats)

Other Parties: 1

Total Seats: 100

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Majority Party (November 12, 2002 - January 3, 2003): Republican (50 seats)

Minority Party: Democrat (48 seats)

Other Parties: 2

Total Seats: 100

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108th Congress (2003-2005)

Majority Party: Republican (51 seats)

Minority Party: Democrat (48 seats)

Other Parties: Independent (1 seat)

Total Seats: 100

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109th Congress (2005-2007)

Majority Party: Republican (55 seats)

Minority Party: Democrat (44 seats)

Other Parties: Independent (1 seat)

Total Seats: 100

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm



Does Beinhart think the Democrats have lost the country because they're not the majority party a every given point in history?

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:08 PM
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8. nah.
2004:
Read the entire article


I did. Know what I read? That in areas where Dems picked up state seats, voters still rejected the national party. And that the Dems won by appealing to swing voters.

2005...

Yeah, the types of Dems Beinart endorses won the day in 2005.

Congress stats:

See the 100th Congress (1987-1989)? After 6 years of Republican control, Dems won it back by 8 seats. Guess where those seats came from? The Democratic Senators elected and who gave the Senate back to the Democrats included moderates Barbara Mikulski (a participant in the DLC's National Service Tour), Harry Reid (who recently said Democrats have to "swallow their pride" and move toward the middle), Conservative Democrat Richard Shelby, DLCer Bob Graham, DLCer Kent Conrad, and DLCer Tom Daschle.

Yep! The kind of Dems Beinart endorses.

But keep in mind, there has been a Democrat elected president only twice in 25 year - both were Clinton - DLCer - and the kind of Democrat Beinart endorses.

So tell me which parts you believe are "complete bullshit."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:30 PM
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9. DLCer BS spin!
Kavanaugh confirmation Nay
Mikulski (D-MD)
Reid (D-NV)

Alito Filibuster and confirmation (Nay)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Reid (D-NV)

Roberts confirmation Nay
Mikulski (D-MD)
Reid (D-NV)

Bankruptcy bill Nay
Mikulski (D-MD)

Gonzales confirmation (Nay)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Reid (D-NV)


BS spin! Beinhart is a war support who is trying to atone by claiming other Democrats are just like him.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:17 PM
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10. show me anything I wrote that isn't factual
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