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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:13 AM
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Bush bottoms out... again
Ever notice how pundits are in the habit of suggesting that Bush has "bottomed out" or "hit bottom" in polls? Observe (approval ratings are rough estimates based on a ?CLICK">Pollkatz chart):

47-48%

June 2, 2004: A Washington Post-ABC News poll released last week showed that 58 percent of Americans disapproved of his handling of Iraq, a politically perilous figure. Bush aides contended over the weekend that the president has bottomed out politically.

October 21, 2004: "I do believe that Bush bottomed out a week or 10 days ago and that we're beginning to see upswings now," Rogich said.

42%

September 22, 2005: Has Bush hit bottom? The latest Survey USA 50-state survey shows little change in President Bush's approval numbers from last month -- before Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf coast region. According to the survey, 41% of Americans today approve of the president's performance and 57% disapprove.

40%

October 2, 2005: Newsweek poll suggests Bush has hit bottom. The latest Newsweek poll suggests President Bush's popularity is no longer in free fall and may be inching upwards.

38%

November 3, 2005: "The president I think has bottomed out. I think last week was the bottom," said Ken Duberstein, who worked in the team that Ronald Reagan brought in to help recover from the Iran-Contra scandal.

November 7, 2005: Last week the Bush administration's second-term bear market bottomed out.

40%

December 13, 2005: White House officials, citing new polls that show an uptick in the president's approval ratings, say the mood has changed significantly over the past two weeks as the administration moves into the 2006 election year. "It was rough there," said a key Bush adviser. "But I felt the mood change a week ago, and now people seem more confident. I think we've bottomed out."

36%

April 16, 2006: Putting a delirious spin on the Bush's low ratings, the GOP says that "those polls were actually good news because the President's popularity has bottomed out. It has stabilized..."

32-36%

April 29, 2006: Steve Benen of The Carpetbagger Report suggests that Bush’s approval ratings may finally have bottomed out in the CNN survey: "The president has lost just about everyone he's going to lose; these 32 percent would probably back Bush if he personally came to their home and punched them in the face," Benen predicts.

May 18, 2006: Aarggh! I am sick. CNN is reporting how Bush will be back at 40% approval before November. This is the turn around for him. He hit bottom and is on the way up.

June 1, 2006: Even in red states, where Bush's margin was more than 5% in 2004, voters disapprove 52% to 39%. Said pollster Maurice Carroll: "Bush's job approval numbers remain in the cellar. But he might finally have hit bottom."
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:15 AM
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1. They keep using that term.
I do not think it means what they think it means.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:26 AM
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10. Just like the old saying
We've finally turned a corner in Iraq, things will be all rosy from now on.

Jesus, we've turned so many bloody corners I'm getting dizzy here.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:41 AM
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15. I like Tom Petty's "Free Fallin'" as an apt description of *'s ratings nt
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:10 PM
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33. It's official...
Bushwhacked is a total bottom...Jeff Gannon and Scotty have now been out-bottomed by their ex-boss...what's a bottom to do? Scream & screw?
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:37 PM
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41. OK, now I gotta post this for those who haven't seen it... (link)
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TheLeftyMom Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:00 AM
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26. Inconceiveable! n/t
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:08 AM
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29. inconceivable!
n/t
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:45 AM
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57. lmao....
Nice one! ;)
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:17 AM
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2. When I read the headline "Bush bottoms out... again"
My first thought was Oy Vey! :evilgrin:
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:09 AM
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18. Heh!
;)
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TAPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:20 AM
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3. I'm no mathmatician, but it seems to me
that to truly bottom out would be to have a ZERO percent approval rating. And frankly, I'm looking forward to it! :)

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:32 AM
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12. I'd like to see a negative number...
what with the margin of error and all....:evilgrin:
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:20 AM
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4. God pounds his nails.
Bam. Bam. Bam. Bam.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:22 AM
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5. The pessimist: it can't get any worse. Optimist: yes, it can!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:24 AM
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6. It's sorta like how the past 5 & 1/2 years
have been for us collectively. Just when you think we can sink no lower . . .surprise !!! It gets worse.

It's as though these pundits are doing chicken little impersonations or somethin'.
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killerbush Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:24 AM
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7. Hopefully, he'll go into negative numbers soon
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:24 AM
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8. I think we need to find those 29% who keep voting in favor of Bush
in these polls and test them for Mad Cow disease, because we may have stumbled on a cluster.
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DUBYASCREWEDUS Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:50 PM
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38. Or the Bird Flu? You think?
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:25 AM
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9. This PRETZELDINK is making a career
of BOTTOMING OUT/ TURNING THE CORNER/ STAYING THE COURSE/ What a wonderful man he is. He can LIE, Steal Invade a country, apoint convicted criminals, PLAY STUPID when confronted with facts of Fraud, trash the constitution, supply leaks, punish leakers.
THIS IS without a doubt the worst presidential imposter ever.
Whe this BADMINISTRATION is finally over the rest of the LIES will be exposed leaving no doubt we have been USED SOLDOUT and HOODWINKED for the greater profit of the rich and powerful aristocracy.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:32 AM
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11. What they mean is
He's hit rock bottom and is starting to dig.
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kmla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:37 AM
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13. He's bottomed out quite a bit lately, huh?
I think president Happicrack needs some new shocks and struts.

But that's just me.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:39 AM
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14. Bush's approval is really (0 + 32i)%
Where i is the imaginary number. Zero percent of reality based people approve him, 32% of the people who live in fantary land do.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:45 AM
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16. Yep, he bottomed out ......
and we just turned the corner in Iraq.

It's like the old excuse you give your boss for missing work:

"My mother died..............again." ;)
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:46 AM
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17. Almost every day
Bush proves that the repubs were correct in their position that they needed to steal the elections. I wonder if we have actually dropped past the number who really voted for him.

I wonder if those who acted illegally to get Bush in the White House accept any responsibility for the consequences of their actions.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:16 AM
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19. Bushy Boy has turned more damned corners and hit more bottoms
than any person on earth!
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:41 AM
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24. If you turn enough corners, you wind up going in circles.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:18 AM
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20. I realized about two years ago
that there is not a single pundit who has a real understanding of polling numbers and what they mean in the way of political blocs and demographics. They all call up the same tiny handful of Beltway consultants- well, Sabato, and maybe Cook- and ask them what the numbers mean. All the time. It's pathetic.

And if they had any mathematical ability to speak of, they'd see the fairly obvious baseline trend in the Bush job approval rating: 1% of the electorate gives up their remaining serious faith in the man and the policies and the Party that create this misere each month. (Though it takes particular events to drive away the last support, benefit of the doubt, in particular categories.)

As for the "bottoming out" bit, RNC people floated that last year iirc when trying to play down the hit they took due to the Schiavo business. It's been a life boat PR concept among conservative-biased pundits and consultants. A pity party concept, really.

The reason it gets dwelt upon and believed in is that no one in the Beltway and their major media buddies wants to believe the country is really changing. I'm starting to hear them openly ask and tell (well, assert to) each other on the talk shows "but this is still a center-right country, politically" increasingly often. It's autosuggestion, a Coueism, wish and disconnection from reality. They truly just can't imagine the political center expending its conservative bias, swinging neutral now and biasing left in the next few years. They prefer to assume that the center will always be Right-leaning, that the convention that came to be during the late LBJ and early Nixon years will last their whole lifetimes.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:29 AM
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21. Ha these compendiums you put together are good.
Do you use Lexis/Nexis?
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:32 PM
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40. Just Google
I imagine Lexis/Nexis would return an even more impressive set of results.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:38 AM
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22. The same people who say that Bush bottomed out said
that the stock market had peaked at 5K under Clinton.

Then 6K.

Then 7K.

Then 8K.

Then 9K.

Then 10K.

Then 11K.

Then it was Bush . . .
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:38 AM
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23. Sometimes it takes a while for their fictional accounts to match up
with actual fact. It wasn't that long ago that they finally quit telling us what a popular president Bush is. Sometimes the truth is a little hard to absorb.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:57 AM
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25. He bottoms out as much as there's a "recent surge in violence" in Iraq.
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riona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:01 AM
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27. I wonder when
he'll hit the bottom of the bottom?
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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 07:51 PM
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49. heh heh
The bottom of the bottomless pit? But since it's bottomless, they can't say that he hit bottom anymore.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:02 AM
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28. Bush might be the first president to accomplish the impossible
Give him a little more time, and he might end up with a "minus" positive approval rating, something most mathematicians previously thought impossible to accomplish!

Somewhere in late 2007: "Well folks, George Bush's approval rating has just dipped once again. His positive approval rating now stands at minus 14, down 4 points from last weeks rating of minus 10. This is Katie Couric, reporting to you from CBS Evening News. Good night"

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987654321 Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:31 AM
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30. I hate the way the media keeps framing the facts.
And about that 30% to 35% that keep supporting him, I think there should be a corresponding poll that shows what percentage of the population are literally hit by dumb sticks on a daily basis. I think roughly one third of Americans would have the bruises on their brains to prove they have indeed been hit.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 07:48 AM
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58. Yeah, why not present this as....
65% of the population now believe that the president is doing a poor or terrible job? *sigh* Liberal media, my ass.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:32 AM
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31. Oh there is still plenty of bottom left to go. LOL
He's* still 29% before he* becomes a complete ass, right now he's* 21% over half assed. ;)
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singe Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:07 PM
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32. bottoms up or hitting bottom?
so when he finally bottoms out fer good does he get a sponsor and attend ninety meetings in ninety days?
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PegDAC Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:55 PM
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51. It's time
For that 29% to have a serious intervention!
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:14 PM
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34. Obvious Case Of Wishful Thinking By The So-Called Liberal Media
They keep HOPING it's true, he's bottomed out, because they don't want his numbers to go even lower...they want Repukes to stay in power. They keep using the mantra, hoping that, by repeating it enough, they will make it true.

I'm very familiar with this kind of mindset. From personal experience.

I'm a transsexual. for a long time I tried to deny what I was, repeating the mantra, "I'm just a heterosexual crossdresser" hoping that, by repeating it enough, I would make it true...or at least make myself believe it.

But I knew better. And finally came to terms with what I truly was.

This is another example of "repeating the mantra" hoping that, by repeating it enough, you make it true...or at least make yourself, and everyone else BELIEVE that it's true...that Bush has bottomed out. they want to believe that. They have to believe it. Their interests depend on it. and they are scared...they are very scared.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:27 PM
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35. The next 2 and 1/2 yrs are political equivalent of Bataan Death March
...a daily repetition of the results of bad decisions and incompetence in high places, coupled with a heavy dose of corruption. All predictable BTW.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:30 PM
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36. When the UN snaps on the cuffs...then he will have bottomed out.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:47 PM
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37. Going, going..........gone
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 12:47 PM by savemefromdumbya
We hope
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:53 PM
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39. Also notice how we have been in the "last throes" of the insurgency
for the last year and a half. We have also had at least a half a dozen "turning points" in the "democratization" of Iraq in the last two years.

:wtf:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:37 PM
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42. bush is in the
toilet but he needs to be Flushed!

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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:42 PM
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43. That chart BEGS for a caption..."YOU ARE *NOT* ALONE!"
That would make a nice T-shirt.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:43 PM
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44. The "Bottomless Bottom". Kind of like "Compassionate Conservative"
Maybe when pundits speak of Bush "hitting bottom", they're actually referring to Jeff Gannon's activities in his unexplained over-nighters at the White House?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:03 PM
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45. Sounds like that "recent surge in violence" in Iraq
we've been hearing about week after week for the last 3 years.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:23 PM
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46. Kind of like "turning a corner"
How many U-turns have me made so far, do you think.

The light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.
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pola Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:35 PM
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47. that's why I was worried when I saw this today....
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 07:41 PM
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48. Happy Post Honeymoon and thank GOD, Skinner didn't remove your
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 07:44 PM by KoKo01
Tea Bags..(Without Tea....we'd all end up as "McStarbucks!" :scared:

(please not this is not a trash of Skinner or a "pump up of you" just because you had a "Honeymoon" and that we always miss "Earl G.."

BTW, I hope that Honeymoon was AMAZING!!! mine was and I've only been married once and we had a "Nightmare Honeymoon" (logistically and foodwise but we were TOGETHER!!!)

Anyway...we might be entering the "Malaise" phase.....we will all pull out.. :D It's all we can do ....is hope to "hang in"...with a maybe "margin" that will pull us a little forward.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:47 PM
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50. Here's another- in today's Quinnipiac poll !
But most Democrats think Bush 43 wins the worst-president race," said Maurice Carroll, Director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

"Kennedy and Truman get big Democratic votes, especially among Baby Boomers (45 - 64 years old) and seniors (over 65), but recent memory counts," Carroll said. "Democrats say Clinton's the best and Republicans say he's the worst. Republicans don't think much of Jimmy Carter either. There's no contest for the GOP favorite: It's the Gipper."

"Bush's job-approval numbers remain in the cellar. But he might finally have hit bottom."


http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11385.xml?ReleaseID=919
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:57 PM
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52. He needs "a recent surge of violence" to distract people.
;)
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:16 PM
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53. just call bush the
bottomless pit, the abyss, the darkside
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:34 PM
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54. Bush won't know the meaning of bottomed out till he meets his new cellmate
okay, that was tacky
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:29 PM
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55. What I can't figure out is how they are
manipulating the polling - as approval of him REALLY can't be as high as 39%... I live in a red county in a blue state - there are Bushies here but they are mostly silent... it's become a rare thing to see a Bush bumper sticker anymore or to hear anyone defend him or even mention his name in a mixed company.

Thanks EarlG for a great post. I look forward to seeing reports of * continuing to bottom out!
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:35 AM
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56. For a variety of reason I thought 38% was absolute bottom.
After being proven wrong I won't even guess now.

At this point even the backwash Republicans are changing the subject when politics comes up.
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