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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:54 PM
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Keith Olbermann refers to Bill O'Lielly as a 'false patriot"


Olbermann noted O'Reilly's false accusation that U.S. troops committed World War II atrocities at Malmédy

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On the June 1 edition of MSNBC's Countdown, host Keith Olbermann noted .........

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:57 PM
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1. I think we could use "False Patriot" for Republicans...
Keith O's Rant was the most moving, intense and correct rant I've heard...

O'Reilly's attack on WWII Veterans who were slaughtered and he didn't have the decency to correct himself....well he angered many of what's left of his audience....he can't get his show cancelled soon enough...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:58 PM
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2. For those who may have missed KO taking O'Really? to the woodshed:
Reading transcript doesn't cut it. Watch the man demonstrate all our rage against O'Reilly's willful ignorance

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/06/01.html#a8537
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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:25 PM
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3. Thanks.. That is must-see-tv.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:59 PM
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4. KO nailed Billo
This is Billo in a nutshell. He would rather be loud than right. That has to be the mantra of the RW spin machine: Say it often enough, say it loud enough, Who the fuck cares if it's right? Plenty of people wil believe us. They always do. We count on it and it hasn't let us down yet.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:17 PM
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5. sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com
http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/

Sweet Jesus I Hate Bill O'Reilly, International
- an organization of hope!
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:21 PM
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6. KO needs a new "sthick". The O'Reilly horse is DEAD.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 01:17 PM
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7. Not dead enough, apparently.
As long as Billo gets away with this disgusting crap on TV, and millions continue to watch it, the O'Reilly "horse" is very, very much alive.

And I don't know about you, but I don't see defending the honor of massacred American soldiers, who have been lied about, as "shtick."
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 04:17 PM
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12. I agree with you. Every time an O Reilly or Coulter lies about history
Edited on Sun Jun-04-06 04:26 PM by gbrooks
they let it stand unless corrected. Even then
there is no clear retraction.

Coulter claimed Canada had troops on the
ground in Viet Nam for Christ's sake, to
a CBC reporter who corrected her immediately.
Even then she still wouldn't admit she was wrong.

These people lie constantly and intentionally.
They lie when the truth is easier.

It's essential to fascist ideology that a lie
must be seen to be a lie and still be assented to.
Their end is to erase historical memory and the means
to that end is disinformation.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 08:15 PM
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15. My definition of "shtick" is when any entertainer just keeps harping
on one particular subject and sort of makes that his trademark signature.

I like KO and much of what he does. My point was that we all know that O'Reilly is a lying slime ball. I don't see any use in continuing to harp ont he same point. He's already made the point.
However, I've got no passion one way or the other about it. I keep forgetting that O'Reilly is still on the air until KO reminds me.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:54 PM
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14. Perhaps when he's making fun of him
That is getting a little long in the tooth for me. However, tearing the Big Giant Head a couple of new ones when he repeatedly attributes Nazi war crimes to American soldiers? WILL.NEVER.GET.OLD.

dg
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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 07:00 AM
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17. Agree
I'm getting tired of hearing about Barry Bonds and O'Reilly all the time.
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JWHarding Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:54 PM
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8. Sorry, on this one I think Olbermann got it wrong
You may hate the man, but....

If you Google “oreilly malmedy”

Your first hit is http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/oreilly062705.asp


“After German SS troops massacred 86 American soldiers at Malmedy in Belgium on Dec. 17, 1944, some units like the U.S. 11th Armored Division took revenge on captured German soldiers.”

TITLE The limits of dissent Jewish World Review June 27, 2005



This quote, from an old O’Reilly article, makes it clear that he was not mixing up the perpetrators with the victims in the Malmedy incident. He clearly was aware that American troops had been the initial victims. When he used the term ‘Malemedy’ he was referring to the original incident and its aftermath.


If any one at MSNBC had done the most rudimentary fact checking it would have been clear that Olbermann’s charge was false.


>I try to make sure my beliefs are based on the facts, not my facts based on my beliefs<
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:21 PM
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9. You're giving O'R far too much benefit of the doubt imo
Here's what he said Tuesday nite: "...in Malmedy, as you know, US forces captured SS forces who had their hands in the air, and they were unarmed, and they shot them down."

The retribution killings after Malmady did not happen IN Malmedy. They were elsewhere in Belgium.

And back in October, O'Reilly called it "the Malmedy Massacre" and implied it was the US 82nd Airborne doing the killing, since he was using it to prove Abu Grahib is no different from what had happened in Vietnam and WWII). Can you really imagine that he intended to convey that it was ok for Americans to torture prisoners because the NAZIS had committed war crimes?

You are probably right that O'Reilly knows the real history. But that doesn't mean he didn't intentionally imply the original killing at Malmedy was an American crime, so as to make Haditha look unimportant. Remember that Clark was making the point that it is symptomatic of deeper problems.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:48 PM
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10. Oh please
Edited on Sun Jun-04-06 04:07 PM by LiviaOlivia
That loofah perv was perfectly able to get it right. His "wrong" reference to Malmedy was the second time that psycho, like his ilk Coulter and "Our Lady Of The Concentration Camps" Malkin, showed their Joe McCarthy hero worship. O'Lielly's first time same lie was perpetrated on October 3, 2005.

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2006/06/repost-slandering-82nd-airborne.html

Joe McCarthy wannabes.

But somehow she neglects to mention McCarthy's first moment in the national spotlight. That was his infamous 1949 campaign on behalf of Nazi S.S. officers who were convicted of war crimes for the massacre of American troops in the town of Malmedy during the Battle of the Bulge. On their orders, 83 American prisoners of war had been murdered by Waffen S.S. machine-gunners. The S.S. officers were sentenced to death, but McCarthy insisted that the entire case was a frame-up, with confessions obtained by horrific torture. He intervened in Senate hearings on the case and lied repeatedly during his defense of the Nazi murderers. His most spectacular claim was that the American investigators had crushed the testicles of German prisoners as an interrogation technique. McCarthy was later shown to have served as the pawn of neo-Nazi and communist provocateurs who were using the Malmedy case to whip up anti-American sentiment in postwar Germany. The main source for his false charges concerning Malmedy was a Germany lawyer named Rudolf Aschenauer, whose closest ties were to the postwar Nazi underground and to American right-wing isolationists, but who has also been identified as a communist agent. Aschenauer testified at U.S. Senate hearings in Germany that he had passed information about Malmedy to McCarthy. The S.S. officers were guilty, as the Senate report confirmed -- although most of them later got their death sentences commuted in a gesture to former Nazi officials who aided the West in the Cold War. But McCarthy had succeeded in his larger purpose, winning publicity for himself and casting a negative light on the war-crimes trials.


By Coulter's loose definition, his involvement in the Malmedy incident proves that McCarthy was a "traitor." He lied publicly to advance totalitarian forces in Europe against American interests. He sided with enemy forces against American soldiers. He falsely accused American officials of crimes. Moreover, he took up this tainted cause at least in part because of heavy financial support from an ultra-right-wing German-American businessman in Wisconsin. He managed to help both Nazis and communists at once, a feat rarely seen since the end of the Hitler-Stalin pact
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:00 PM
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18. Hi JWHarding!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 04:02 PM
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11. The Christ-fascists will relate to that
The Keith just keeps getting better and better.
Please don't fly in small planes Keith. You have arrived!
:patriot:
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 04:51 PM
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13. Good for KO
KO was right to call O'Rielly out on being a false patriot. O'Rielly has been a false patriot since this war began. He has promoted this war even though he has never been willing to fight in a war and has not been willing to fight in this current war.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:01 AM
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16. Yes....
and why does Bill O'Reilly hate our Troops? :shrug:

That is soooo Unpatriotic!
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