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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:29 PM Original message |
Steven F. Freeman takes on Salon: Supports RFK Jr.'s 2004 election report |
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oldtime dfl_er (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. recommending! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Thanks for the link, oldtime. |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Here's a mathematician's perspective on RFK's article |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. So what do you think about Steven Freeman's article? |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I don't know |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I would ask you to read the Salon article then. Like you, I'm no |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 05:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. neat idea, but not well supported |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 07:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. I think you have highlighted a gap between legal proof and |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. re: "He's a statistician, so I would think he knows" |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 05:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. no, Freeman really isn't a statistician |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 06:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Point taken. And Mark CC isn't a statistician either. He's a computer |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 11:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. good question, and, yes I can |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. 'goodmath' missed the more glaring problem |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Your mathematician is Mark Chu-Carroll, who describes himself as |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I didn't say he was a quack! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I agree with you -- the "game" was rigged in just about every way. |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. And he's not disputing Freeman's work |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. From what I read on the Chu-Carroll site, he is |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
13. Thanks for posting pnwmom. Good to see Freeman supporting RFKjr |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
15. Steven Freeman needs to address the voting history of those states |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 01:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. But how do you know that it wasn't, in actuality, going to be |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 02:22 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. It's not supported by the numbers in other states |
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althecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 04:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I suppose you claim Bush won by 3 million + votes nationwide |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 06:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. well, it's consistent with pre-election polls |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 06:51 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Can you point us to the polls on election eve that had Bush ahead |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 11:15 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. the pollingreport.com roundup is fine |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
39. I must have mentioned Republican GOTV 20 times in 2004 |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 08:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. "But I severely doubt it was 118,000 worth in Ohio." |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. 118,000 would be 4.3% of Kerry's vote total |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. It would be a tall mountain only if accomplished in one fell swoop. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 08:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. I like Pew too, although |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 09:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I'm expecting something good from PEW this summer |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. hmm... |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 09:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. It was an Annenberg Election Survey, polling 67,777 registered voters |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 06:18 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. looks like about 3600 Hispanics |
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althecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 04:48 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Precisely... why couldn't the most unpopular president in history |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
40. I hate Bush |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. I voted in Nevada |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. There was definitely suppression in Nevada |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
21. why MarkCC thinks the election was stolen |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Right |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
24. Salon should be ashamed for their attack on RFK's article. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 06:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. A lot of the arguments against election fraud affecting the election |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 06:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I totally agree. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 08:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I disagree with your comment that we will never really know who |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 12:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. I don't think it's hair splitting at all |
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faithnotgreed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 02:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. do you have a link to referenced article (bob herbert) |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. it would be behind a subscription wall, I think |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Then why not focus on those important facts we do know? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
42. excellent ...rec. nt |
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