CoIntel-Joe

Flame-bait for sure.

CoIntel-Joe
by arendt

….One way to neutralize a potential activist is to get them to be in a group
….that does all the wrong things. Why?

….1) The message doesn't get out.
….2) A lot of time is wasted
….3) The activist is frustrated and discouraged
….4) Nothing good is accomplished.

….FBI and police informers and infiltrators will infest any group, and they
….have phony activist organizations established. It is the agent's job to keep
….the activist from quitting such a group, thus keeping him/her under control.
….In some situations, to get control, the agent will tell the activist:"You're
….dividing the movement."

….- "How to Spot a Spy"
….http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-to-spot-cointelpro-agents.html


I have stayed away from the DLC wars on DU because I didn’t have anything to contribute. But, when I read the quote above, it all just clicked for me.

Just check the points:

1) Message doesn’t get out - has the Democratic Party had any message discipline, or are some Democrats constantly sabotaging every attempt to tell the truth about Bush’s lies on the grounds that “we” can’t look “angry”?

2) Lot of time wasted - like six bloody years of the Neocons robbing us blind.

3) Activisits discouraged - yeah, like me.

4) Nothing good accomplished - no SC justices blocked (by Dems that is - just Harriet Myers, and she was probably part of some Rovian scheme.); no tax cuts for the rich blocked; no meaningful investigations of the Plame Leak, the WMD lies, Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, etc;.

Finally, as progressives start to rebel against DLC mis-leadership, what do they tell us?
“You’re dividing the party.”

Proposition demonstrated, case closed. The DLC is a CoIntelPro-style effort to disrupt and neutralize the Democratic Party; and its most visible agent, Joe Lieberman, has all the hallmarks of a deep-cover provocateur. Call him CoIntel-Joe.

As with all provocateurs, he has a carefully prepared Curiculum Vitae, proving his bona fides. Except that, when push comes to shove, Joe is found shoving from the wrong side. For most Americans, Joe first showed up as the holier-than-thou, yarmulke-wearing VP candidate who torpedoed Al Gore in the Florida aftermath. Why did the DLC force this albatross on Al? See “How to Spot a Spy.”

Joe and the DLC have sabotaged all attempts to hold Bush to any kind of standards or accountability, be it economic, diplomatic, budgetary, or Constitutional. The Democrats couldn’t have done worse with a plan. Oh, wait, that was the DLC’s plan.

At this point, for me, the DLC is like global warming. Every reputable political scientist has said what’s happening; but the bought-and-paid-for media whores keep shilling for the phony political science.

Nuf said.

and elegantly articulated!



I could not agree with you more. If there was such a thing as Post of the Week, this would have my vote! Well, at least it now has my vote for the "Greatest" page...

TC

Rules for Radicals -- Saul Alinsky

still relevant after all these years.

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you'd be hard-pressed to find someone with more GORE LOVE than i had in 2000 -- but, seeing him introduce the Lieb here in nashville gave me giant willies.

he's worse than a dino -- and i think you hit the nail on the head.

don't forget the lieb-bush KISS at the SOTU!

Didn't Congress actually outlaw CoIntelPro as being
inconsistent with citizens right to organize in a
democracy?

Its just amazing how clueless the 'mainstream" leadership
of the 1980s Democratic Party was about the DLC. How
could a party that became great serving the laboring
man allow a bunch of corporate-funded sharpies to
hijack them?

Answer: the culture of money (i.e., corrruption) was already
so pervasive that they couldn't imagine the DLC was anything
more than business as usual in D.C. So, they never checked
into the backgrounds of the DLC funders.

Meanwhile, the DLC started out with "reasonable"
positions. But those positions led to GATT, NAFTA,
and then to acquiescence in the Patriot Act, the
Iraq War Resolution, and the utter supine-ness of
the Party.

By the time the "mainstream" Dems started to think
something might be wrong, it was way too late. The
DLCers were in so many positions of power that the
"you're splitting the party" card could be played.

A perfect "infiltrate, decapitate, and hijack" operation
by the heirs of J Edgar Transvestite. Sort of poetic
justice. Rank and file Democratic Party politicians, who
didn't really care if dirty hippies got CoIntelPro'd, were
hit with exactly the same bat. Calling Pastor Niemoller:
(First they came for the hippies, but I didn't smoke dope.
Then they came for the Panthers, but I wasn't black...)

The answer is along the lines Alinsky suggests. Organize
locally. Know your representatives. Keep them honest.

arendt

Eeeyeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...... kissing Bush is too gross even for Joementum! Can you imagine having those cooties all over you? Tomato juice takes off the smell of skunk... I wonder what would remove Bushcooties?

TC

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/newleft.htm


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tangentially, there's a Kos diary comparing the Yippies (abbie hoffman's group) to keyboard-based activism. comments are interesting.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/11/84640/6525

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in my original post. He's just an agent, feet-on-the-street, muscle:

> Joe Lieberman, has all the hallmarks of a deep-cover provocateur. Call him CoIntel-Joe.
> As with all provocateurs, he has a carefully prepared Curiculum Vitae, proving his bona fides.

As far as I can tell, Clinton isn't in charge either. He seems to be at about the same level
in the "organization" that Poppy Bush, whom Bill hangs with, is. That's not to say that Big Dog
and his wife are not major players in the bipartisan corporate takeover of America. But, at
least Bill and Hil won't cram fundamentalism down our throats.

I think the real "players" (see my journal essay, "Players are from Andover") prefer corporate
governance and are appalled at the neocon cult of personality and warmongering. I think they
have given the sadist in the WH all the chances he's going to get. But, because the super
rich can be super patient, I do not see THEM pushing to impeach Bush. After all, the executive
powers he has grabbed could serve the players very well. Their plan calls for Bush to drift
rudderless until 08, when they put their guy into power. (Their "guy" could be Hillary, could
be that whore McCain, could be Chuck Hagel (very clever w voting machine stuff, good patriotic
resume.)

arendt

He was like a devil on Kerry's shoulder trying to talk him into siding with anti-gay ballot measures in red states - I find that a truly OBSCENE episode from Clinton.

And as someone who was always ready to do whatever it took to win, I'm sure he felt he was simply giving Kerry some sage advice. Made my skin crawl, though.

TC

He did rescue the economy from the ruin of 12 years of GOP deficits...

BUT, he more than made up for that with GATT, NAFTA, the failure to get
any kind of control over HMOs, the rewrite of the Telecom Laws, and
the year he lost to the Monica nonsense at the height of his influence .
(The first three years of the Starr Chamber were not his fault.)

He was smart enough and insider enough to completely understand
how the GOP were undermining democracy. He chose only to protect
himself and the DLC. The rest of us, we got a stock market bubble
and some temporary employment.

He was and is a Rockefeller Republican and a compleat politician - in
the worst sense of that word. He did nothing from conviction, everything
from calculation; and he has done nothing in the face of W's rampage -
except hang with Poppy Bush. Jimmy Carter has had more guts.

Bill and Hil carry the corporate water. That's all.

Such a talented man. Such a great big fraud and sellout.

arendt

and for a long time have felt I was the only one who saw him this way. As you say... such a talented, intelligent man. All the more diappointing to find out he was such a fraud and a sell-out. He really did break my heart. He could have been historic (in a good way), but instead we got the shaft and he went into the history books (in NOT a good way).

TC

The FBI would send in agents provocateur to make peaceful demonstrations violent, start fires and otherwise do things to make sure that any media coverage could disparage the people participating in a demonstration.

You could always tell who they were. They weren't registered at the college you were in, they always seemed to have some unexplained source of income to live on, they were loud, wanted 'action', and were the most 'radical' people at any meeting.

to not interfere with democracy

Read this to get some idea of the kind of thing going on at ground level?

http://www.rich-essence.com/TheHiddenEvil.pdf

It seems like the line between government sector and private sector
has been completely blurred.

Hardly surprising given the propensity of Intel types to go off in
search of self-funding to operate their own private agendas.

What a sick mess. Fortunately, it sounds like a pretty expensive way
to do things.

What IS really creepy is how they desensitize people into doing this
via TIPS or sex-offender or gun-registration programs.

Bottom line: you have to draw a line somewhere about being vigilant;
or you could spend your time analyzing every random coincidence,
association, every negative thing that happens.

Bookmarked the site.

arendt

for posting this. I have seen this every which way I turn. It ain't just the DLC and there are several layers....And DAMN!...they are fooling way too many people.

Fascism can only arise with a disorganized opposition. Considering how much we know about PNAC and how long they have been planning this...of course they planted the opposition as well! And that is how they have been getting away with what they have.

They pretend to be fighting and then they do their master's bidding...
Take for instance the "Iran Freedom Support Act"...
http://benfrank.net/blog/2006/04/27/iran_resolution_democracy_sanctions_progressive_caucus/

but that was an across-the-board Dem cave-in. Only 21 total reps (inlcuding the libertarian
Ron Paul) voted against.

It seems like the lobby-who-must-be-obeyed (LWMBO) owns almost all the Democrats.
CoIntel-Joe, of course, is surgically attached to the LWMBO. That is one of the sorriest
pieces of his "cover". Everyone knows the LWMBO has turned hard right, but, just like
the press, the official community pretends the LWMBO is "liberal".

Can't really blame that on the DLC. They were just along for the ride, and the ride generated
even more talking points about how theirs is the "majority" position.

We are so screwed. The Orwellian language has just about rendered logical argument
impossible.

arendt

Love, but be careful around, the internet s! (and any and all other real-world social groups).

:thumbsup:

that which cannot be seen and measured can often still be perceived through other means ... not being able to prove a theory does NOT mean the theory is not correct ...

with that as a starting point, the following "gibberish" is merely a ramble ... it's not fact; frankly, it's not necessarily even theory ... it's just an exploration of maybes ...

the premise for me has always been that there are puppetmasters who know all too well that they must remain the wizards behind the curtain ... their goal is pure greed and their means are pure evil ... and their power is virtually unlimited ... given their colossal wealth, every day that passes provides them with a greater and greater consolidation of power ...

those in the "political class", i.e. the front men, are handsomely rewarded for doing their bidding ... where some of us rant and rave about the somewhat visible lobbying and mega-money election campaigns, the real power and control are buried much deeper than that and are much more subtle ... every institution, in most but not all areas of the globe, has been infected by this cancer ... and the pace and magnititude of control is accelerating at a very rapidly increasing rate ...

but, with this backdrop, we are offered the DLC as a bogeyman ... it used to have two "o's"; one has "gone missing" ... take a hint ... but targeting such a visible organization as the DLC and not seeing the spectrum of infiltration in much broader and much more subtle terms, seems, at least to me, to be strategically illogical ...

consider the following: if you were to send an infiltrator, would you choose to gain access at the highest possible level or the lowest possible level??? or think about it this way: if you were going to be betrayed by someone at the top of your team or the bottom, which would cause the greater damage??

imagine creating an "infiltration model" to gain leadership at all nooks and crannies of the political spectrum ... you don't only try to infiltrate the top of the Democratic Party ... such a model could be inherently unstable ... far more effective would be an infiltration of all core constituencies ... don't just grab the power at the top; grab a leadership role on the left, in the center and on the right wings of the Party ... your spies need not constantly sell a monolithic model ... for example, your lefty guy can sell lefty guy stuff and your right guy can sell right guy stuff ... it doesn't matter if what they're selling goes against your ultimate objectives ... the near-term objective is to gain the trust of a given constituency ... the bigger, long-term objective is to keep that constituency, because of their faith in the "leader" you provided, within certain tolerances ... it creates the allusion of counter-constituencies but the reality is that no one is allowed to go further than the leader ... the leader can always derail any movement that starts to become too powerful or too dangerous ... the theme is that if the followers go past the leader, it displays a lack of faith in him; it weakens him and consequently weakens the cause ... thus, investing in candidates rather than in ourselves can be a dangerous business albeit a necessary one ...

so, to circle back to the beginning of all this, i think it's a much too narrow view to tag only the DLC with accusations of hostile infiltration ... i think the game is much more logically viewed across a much broader political spectrum ... the old X-Files maxim, "trust no one" comes to mind ...

is all this just a big box of guacamole??? my take is that since we can't ever really know, we must remain ever vigilant and ever skeptical about the "common wisdom" ... we should be true to ourselves and to those we "know" can be trusted ... still, most is not what it seems on the surface ...

Here comes one that was inspired by yours. What is it that really divides this country? Is there really a broad and deep partisan divide? Could the division really be much shallower and narrower than it appears? Is it organic, or is it 50% organic and 50% manufactured, or is it completely manufactured?

I think it's mostly manufactured and it is getting more and more difficult to maintain. But they are very skilled in this regard. When the immigration protester recently took to the streets in unbelievable numbers, you would have thought that all the workers of the world would have lined up behind them in a show of support and solidarity for their cause. Yet that did not happen.

The record low popularity of the government does not even make a difference that I can see. In any event there are no worries for the puppetmasters since they have spent a lot of effort setting up their "heads we win, tails you lose" situation. Popularity could swing heavily to our side, and not much would change. The rhetoric was just as shrill during impeachment, so this won't change with elections.

Several points.

1) While it is true that "the puppetmasters" try to remain hidden, the planet is small and getting smaller. It is harder to influence events *effectively* without tipping your hand. I mean, financial manipulation can be invisible, but it cannot control the mass mind. For that, you need ad agencies, political consultants etc. with a lot of talent. There are very few of those and they tend to be quite visible. So, for example, I think that anyone hiring Frank Luntz is a puppetmaster.

My point is simply they are not as invisible as you think.

2) The reason people over-invest in "leaders" is that the political structure has been broken. Check out www.thirtythousand.org - a website arguing for the original ratio of one legislator per 30,000 voters, as the founders intended in the Federalist Papers. By having districts of close to 1,000,000 voters, the political class has been turned into a homunculus which has then been decapitated/hijacked along the lines you suggest.

3) The political class can get away with denying reality because the technique of simulating reality in the media has come quite far. It helps that reality itself has been flattened by increasing corporatization of everything, replacing genuine interactions with pre-packaged decisions from a very limited menu - the global vending machine, stocked only with right wing goodies. As the response to you by username mentions, the puppetmasters are having a harder time making the simulation square with a reality that is ever more obviously toxic.

So, in summary, I agree with your call for vigilance, your distrust of leaders, and your worries about deep sociological infiltration. But, I think these problems are increasingly obvious to even the dullest among us. Every chance I get, I ask people how the media can be so supportive of a jerk with a 33% approval rating.

The curtain is increasingly slipping. We may be ready for a 1910s moment when "yellow journalism" is seen through and "muckraking" has its day.

Thank you for your deep thoughts.

arendt

It has the power to galvanize; to energize; to actually herd the cats.

It is the one thing that both Rove and the DLC are terrified by.

It must be made clear that we can impeach over stolen elections; impeach over global warming; impeach over looting the treasury. That YOUR REASON need have no relation to THE REASONS that end up on articles of impeachment.

Regardless of what problem you want to solve, STEP ONE is removing this never-elected, never-legitimate regime. And failure to do so is complicity with their actions.

Our immediate concern is to convince the DLC-Deluded.

And for that "Violence" is the answer.

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the problem is there haven't been enough "we" in the mix.

The greatest enemy of a lie is time.

Time's up, Baby!

'KAPO' Joe

Time to go.