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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:48 PM
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50-State Strategy ? Uhmmm....
While it looks good in email ...Ahh-roo-gah Gov Dean and National Dems...I'm verklempt about my time and money right now... (especiallythattheDNCpulledoutofVirginiain04tothrowbiggiebuckstoOhioandFlorida)...

Virginia needs BIGGerBIGGIE bucks to support Jim Webb's campaign to defeat "Sweet Nectar of Liberty's" George Allen. Also, in my "low on the DNC radar" District, VA-02, to kick Thelma "lips firmly planted on Bush's Ass" Drakes bigger ASS outta here.

Sorry, I don't have an extra second or dime to spend nationally right now. Not that there's anything wrong with that....I just CAN'T. I'd like to keep my nickels and dimes in Virginia for the next 5 months.

:patriot:

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:00 PM
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1. Bunk, Catchawave
(especiallythattheDNCpulledoutofVirginiain04tothrowbiggiebuckstoOhioandFlorida)

This is the new DNC and it looks good beyond email. If you don't have the money, you don't have the money, but please hold back on the negativity.

Anybody who does have the money and wants to support the 50-State Strategy:

https://www.democrats.org/page/contribute/peoplecount

5424 donors :kick: looking to 7500

Thank you.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:18 PM
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5. Thanks...I have the money
I want to keep it in Virginia ! I want to keep it in Virginia !

:D
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:48 PM
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9. Five bucks
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:58 PM
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11. LOL....
...where every single person matters as much as the next, where each one of us has the power to take our future into our own hands. Some people don't understand it, and some people don't believe it will work. But we believe in the extraordinary potential of millions of Americans united in common cause to make our country better.

Not.In.Virginia.2004 ! The DNC BROKE MY HEART in '04...forgedditaboutit...I'll do it my way :hi:

At least my repuke husband gets mail from the RNC annointing him a Pioneer, or some stupid shit like that....if he donates 5k...:shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:05 PM
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2. Gonna happen.....new kind of party called "participation politics".
From the letter from Dean:

"It boils down to this: participation politics. We're building an entirely new kind of political party -- one where every single person matters as much as the next, where each one of us has the power to take our future into our own hands. It's a new way of operating, but we know it will work because we believe in the extraordinary potential of millions of Americans united in common cause to make our country better."
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:21 PM
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6. Participation Politics in Raising the States....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:46 PM
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13. DNC is building a party...Edwards is supporting candidates. Confused
about what you are saying. They are not even similar things.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:50 PM
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14. I'll choose Edwards then....
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:01 PM
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15. Choose him for what? You are not making it clear.
You are not going to support DNC because of Edwards? Hmmm..mmm.
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mdguss Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:06 PM
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3. Jim Webb will win:
He represents the armed forces. Virginia has an open primary. Look at where he won the election: Fredericksburg north through Fairfax. That area revolves around Quantico and Ft. Belvior. That's also the area that carried Tim Kaine to victory. Webb will probably do better than the average Democrat in Virginia Beach (home to Jerry Falwell and a large Naval base).
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:15 PM
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4. I agree
I'm all for Jim Webb, have been since before he ever announced. I'm thrilled that he won the primary.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:31 PM
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7. I think it's admirable to give locally
Support the DNC or support your local party/candidate. I can't see how anyone can find fault with your logic.

Good luck to Virginia!

:thumbsup:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:41 PM
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8. Thanks MaineDem....
:hi: I'm dancing as fast as I can. Not that there's anything wrong with the DNC, but most grass/netroots need to focus in their own backyards !
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:28 PM
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20. Dean is acting to put the focus back onto Democrat's "backyards".
That is the irony in some of your comments that I'm reacting to. Dean is acting to make sure that the National Democratic Party does not stay beholden to a thin strata of large donors who then call the shots over who, where, and what the National Democratic Party supports, over the heads of all the active grass roots Party members involved in the Democratic Party at the local and State level. Dean is acting to make sure the Democratic Party provides resources to Democrats in every State, so that Democrats in every State can make their own priorities over what use of resources will be most effective in their own back yards, and not have to go begging to the big boys inside the beltway for crumbs if they weren't blessed with the right connections.

You don't have to make giving money to Dean's 50 State program your personal priority, money is scarcer than are places where it is needed. Give your money to whoever, wherever you want, and bless you for giving money to Democrats who you believe in. But don't saddle Howard Dean's effort with your anger over the DNC in 2004. If you don't like the way the DNC played 2004 consider this: If enough people refuse to support Dean with this type of 50 State drive, you can expect to find the same bunch of power players who shoveled all of the DNC's resources to their own hand picked candidates and States last time to regain control of the DNC. That is what will get us more repeat performances of 2004 type behavior in the future, a failure to support Dean now.
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TheVirginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:50 PM
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10. Allen and Drake aren't as vulnerable as a number of other national races.
You should definately donate to local campaigns directly, but national resources are going to be put where they have the most chance for impact. The Virginia Senate is a second-tier race, and VA-02 is barely a third-tier race.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:24 PM
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12. I respectfully disagree on the Senate race
Webb has to PROVE he can fund-raise on his own, but if he proves it this race will get national attention.

Webb has a son who is being deployed to Iraq in the fall, and if the DNC doesn't jump all over this fact and get involved in a very big way it will surprise me.
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TheVirginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:04 PM
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16. The race will get national attention,
But Jim Webb has a very uphill battle to work against George Allen. I'd rather focus our resources in MO, MT, OH, PA, RI, and TN (not to mention NJ, WA, and MD) then worry about VA.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:48 PM
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17. There is nothing at all wrong with that.
You care enough to pitch in - in a race that IS important to us as a party. Nothing wrong about that, ever.

:thumbsup:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:00 PM
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18. We are a minority party because we don't have a 50 state strategy
In the 60's and 70's we had large congressional majorities because we got people elected places like Idaho, Utah, Nebraska, South Dakota, Oaklahoma, Indiana, etc. After Raygun took over, the abandonment of these states by Democrats began and accelerated during the 90's. By 2000 we were basically confined to our blue states and swing states to pick up seats in congress. We need a 50 state strategy so that we can get senators and congressmen elected in these states again if we ever want to enact a progressive agenda.

On the other hand, you should definately donate your money where you you feel that it will go to the best use. But Howard Dean is definately thinking ahead with the 50 state strategy.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:14 PM
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19. Do you know if Virginia has field organizers?
I know Wisconsin does.

I suppose the DNC website might be able to tell you.
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