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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 07:57 AM
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Bring on the law suits! Our only remedy against all the illegal
Edited on Sat Jun-17-06 08:19 AM by rainy
doings that are harming we the people. We must start suing for all the damages this illegal administration has caused, from pollution, illegal voting machines, illegal wars, fake science etc... Doctors couldn't stop the tobacco industry, but, lawyers did. A group of lawyers are planning to use law suits to bring around the polluters of our world. It is time to start suing.

I say we begin with the illegal voting machines that allow no recount, and are secret.

Next we will have to sue over this illegal war. The UN has already said it is illegal.

Lets start filing our suits.

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Strathos Donating Member (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 08:38 AM
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1. I don't think you can get anyone to care enough
Maybe if you said sue all the homosexuals that are polluting, illegally coting and all that, people might actually listen. LOL

I'm kidding mostly, but honestly no one seems to be interested in anything if doesn't ridicule or lambast another group, particularly an ethnic group of some kind.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 08:39 AM
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2. It doesn't matter in a courthouse if other people are interested
because the case should rest on its merrits.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 08:39 AM
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3. Know any good pro bono attorneys?
I don't think we have the resources to mount a credible legal challenge to any of these things at this point. I am besieged by three or four pleas for money every single day, all from deserving organizations. Unfortunately my financial situation is no longer such that it allows me to contribute generously as it once did. They have done an excellent job defunding the left.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 08:40 AM
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5. It has already started happening around the world.
Protest don't work anymore. They just ignore us. This article in ODE mag. "The Courthouse Effect: Politicians wont stop climate change, CEOs won't stop climate change, But Lawyers Will.... and They are Just Warming Up" is a great read about how lawsuits are going to save us and may be our only hope.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 08:39 AM
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4. This is a good idea, and it is certainly an option, but
it's not as easy as it would seem.

First of all, filing suit can be very expensive. Done individually, it would tie up the courts and it would be years before anything really happened. It would be better to pool money together, and file a class action suit on behalf of all Americans, this would minimize the number of suits filed and get more attention.

Then you'd have the standard "state secrets" defense from the government, where you can't get much in the form of discovery because everything is classified.

Filing a suit is a right we have as Americans, and it's a good idea, but to get anywhere with it I think you'd have to have a very well organized group doing it, and a pool of money to pay the expenses.

I know the ACLU has filed some suits, perhaps other similar organizations could be encouraged to do so as well. A group like Moveon.org could also take the lead.

I like your idea, and I know this sounds like I'm trashing it, but I'm really not. I just think it would be a huge undertaking for one person.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 08:55 AM
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7. You are right so we have to put the bug in the ears of those who
can help. I was at a moveon meeting last night and talked about this route. We could start with these voting machines. Our city Virginia Beach just bought 900 Diebold machines.
I think we should sue as they are incapable of running an open verifiable election.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 09:02 AM
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9. That would likely be a great place to start.
There is a lot of evidence out there that these machines are not accurate and can be manipulated to produce whatever results are desired. Voting is a basic American right, and I believe it is one of the most serious issues facing Dems today. Too bad our party leaders don't seem to think so.

I have to believe others are thinking the same thing as well, perhaps more suits will be filed before the elections in November.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 08:44 AM
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6. I am all for suits that will work, but some of the things you list
were voted on by "our representatives" and so, I think, cannot be filed against...
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 09:01 AM
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8. the courts are packed with wingers
December 2000 should have relieved you of any fantasy that the rule of law still exists in this country. Lawsuits are useless when all the judges are cronies.
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Randypiper Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 09:17 AM
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10. Apparently Bush can just dismiss these lawsuits
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s speech at the Sierra Summit, September 10, 2005

... coal-burning power plants that are burning coal illegally. President Clinton's administration was prosecuting the worst 75 of those plants, but that's an industry that donated $48 million to this President during the 2000 election cycle and has given $58 million since.

One of the first things that Bush did when he came into office was to order the Justice Department and EPA to drop all those lawsuits. The top three enforcers at EPA, Sylvia Lowrance, Bruce Buckheit, and Eric Schaeffer, all resigned their jobs in protest. These weren't Democrats. These were people who had served through the Reagan and Bush administrations, the earlier Bush administration. A top Justice Department official said that this had never happened in American history before, where a Presidential candidate accepts money, contributions from criminals under indictment or targeted for indictment, and then orders those indictments and investigations dropped when he achieves office.
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