Bush aide: Sex drives people insane, "needs to be governed"

And he traces the family breakdown, at least in part, to one of his favorite topics: Sex. (Also see his April 2006 article on the topic.)

About sex, he tells Wattenberg: "It's something -- it's intense; it's fire. It drives people to insanity. . . . People fall in love with prostitutes. People kill prostitutes. All kinds of things happen in the heat of sexual passion, so my point is because it's fire it needs to be governed and treated with respect and treated carefully."

And, he says: "An awful lot of what we've been talking about earlier in this show, you know, family structure and crime rates and poverty levels grow directly out of sexual choices."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html

looks like we got a live one.

As Zinsmeister sees it, racial profiling by the police makes sense; the military, if anything, treats terrorist suspects too gently; and casual sex has led to wrecked cities, violence and 'endless human misery.' In a 'soft, often amoral, and self-indulgent age,' he warned, some children 'will be ruined without a whip hand,' and he assured that 'things generally go better with God.' . . .

He's perfect for them, isn't he? :eyes: :crazy:

As Zinsmeister sees it, racial profiling by the police makes sense; the military, if anything, treats terrorist suspects too gently; and casual sex has led to wrecked cities, violence and 'endless human misery.' In a 'soft, often amoral, and self-indulgent age,' he warned, some children 'will be ruined without a whip hand,' and he assured that 'things generally go better with God.' . .
The asshole His mind and his "god"
http://brainmind.com/Hitler2.html


Fascists themselves share the same god and mind, here they speak themselves about the need for harder white people and for these manly white dicks to subjugate more white women to make more white babies for these hard soull crushing authoritarian bully people to crush apart until they become just like thier own bully control freak hard hearted parents..
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/05/no_babies_pleas.php

bullying and authoritarianism is a familial kind of social disease.
If a culture could get cancer THIS would be IT.

which they seek to "control," and we've allowed this small band of emotionally crippled freaks to wield power over the rest of us...

Bush's poll numbers are in the toilet, bash the gays.

That train's never late.

.. without a whip hand'!

It's not entirely clear from the article how he prefers to dress when beating children: a guess might be fishnet hosiery plus stiletto heels ....

his idea is for government to monitor our bedrooms "for our own good". Wonder what "less government intrusion conservatives" think of this.

is dangerous.

"Its fire needs to be governed." I've been having orgasms for 40 years now, I vote for the liberals all the time, I have never had sex with a prostitute (unlike "conservatives" I don't have to), I've never committed a crime and I have never lived in poverty. My wife and I have a very vibrant sex life. Please let me be part of your study.

and that rarely happens

care for people criticizing his work. This dude had better stay out of elevators and aeroplanes.

But this conversation is very revealing about you, Mr. Zinmeister. Please do go on.

I have to wonder what kinds of skeletons Mr. Z has in his closet....

And like somebody upthread said, THEY THINK EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS OF THINGS IN THE SAME WAY THAT THEY DO!!

when the world is nothing else but all about yourself!
Fucking psychopath.

About sex, he tells Wattenberg: "It's something -- it's intense; it's fire. It drives me to insanity. . . . I fall in love with prostitutes. I kill prostitutes. All kinds of things happen to me in the heat of sexual passion, so my point is because it's fire it needs to be governed and treated with respect and treated carefully before I kill more prostitutes."

This guy is the perfect representation of the Authoritarian Personality.

Probably another self-loathing closet case. Those are usually the ones to espouse "hate" about sex, because they hate themselves for having "those urges."

sinner." "Sex outside of christian marriage is wicked." And on, and on.
Is this the guy who is in charge of setting the stage to move towards a society as envisioned by Margaret Atwood in The Handmaid's Tale?

I think that post #11 has this exactly right. If I were law enforcement I'd be pricking up my ears.

It is VERY unusual for a person to start talking about falling in love with and murdering prostitute. Most people simply don't think this way. The fact that Mr. Z. does says something very interesting.

Where has this guy been lately?

"That man is in more need of a blowjob than any man in history"

:)

Projection, baby!

Bush Aide Needs Legal Refresher, Ads Suggest

By JOSH GERSTEIN - Staff Reporter of the Sun
June 13, 2006

A magazine edited by a conservative writer who began work yesterday as President Bush's top domestic policy adviser, Karl Zinsmeister, may have run afoul of fair-employment laws by taking out advertisements that sought "young" applicants. <snip>

http://www.nysun.com/article/34318

Come on people need to see this, lets vote this up.

"People kill prostitutes."

Projecting much? Of all the examples to give on things that "happen in the heat of sexual passion," he comes up with falling in love with and then murdering prostitutes.

Uh-huh.... :hide:

Can you say projection?
With six children, Santorum must be quite ill.
Tom Sneddon is the father of 9 children. Nicknamed 'Mad Dog', I have a sense this guy is really obsessed with sex.


Please note there is a bit of sarcasm to this post. Sort of. Maybe. Maybe not.


Edit- The one thing I think is worth examining is, maybe we should be sorting out the psychotics before they enter politics. The Hitlers, the Bushes. Should we not have complete psychological examinations? I do not mean tests that can be twisted. I mean real tests for actual neuroses. Look, Bush blew up frogs and trashed apartments, did coke and got at least one DUI. That should be grounds enough for being excluded from holding office. This all follows from what appears to be a madman ranting about sex, and how I believe that is a possible indication of underlying illness. I mean, if someone is discussing this bs all while children in Darfur are starving and dying, they must be very ill.

It's conduct disordered people. People who are authoritarian rigid control freaks they are not "crazy "or mentally ill.Please don't lump me or other people with mental illness in with ASSHOLES ok? This guy is morally inferior ,he knows it and he don't care.He is an ASSHOLE,not mentally il ok? Big difference.

It is these asshole authoritarians,bullies and religious true believer fanatics and thier manipulating leadershiip that are the problem.The asshole who wants to control others sex lives is not mentally ill. People like this piece of shit know damn well what they want to do and they don't care who gets hurt,they want to dominate and that's it ..They are asshole people with a master or slave morality and they are a cancer upon this world...

Hi!

You are totally right. I used the word crazy without explaining it. To me, crazy is nothing like fanatical. Crazy doesn't tromp on other people. Arrogant is the dangerous one.

I agree with you. And I also must be more careful with words. My mind has a clear picture, but the words can have many meanings. I just assumed that people on this forum would know that "crazy" refers to people like George. Ugh, I cannot stand these people. None of us can. I hope we can endure this before it kills us all.

You are absolutely correct. Terms having to do with mental illness are frequently used in disparaging and insulting ways. To those who have worked in mental health related occupations (as I have), and to those who have encountered mental illness themselves or via loved ones, such references make little sense. In other words, calling people who behave badly "psychotic" would be akin to calling them diabetic, or arthritic. It really isn't an insult and it makes little sense.

But it does tend to stigmatize mental illness among those who have no experience with it, or knowledge of it.

Mental illness does not diminish one's morality, decency, or character. We're all susceptible.

ought to take a look at prostitute killings and match them up with his travels.
this is one sick, twisted, repressed person who needs to be gotten off the streets immediately.

has this guy been near Washington state in the last year?

Here in Columbus Oh covering roughly the last ten years that have gone unprosecuted. Can anyone get this guy's whereabouts for the last, say, 40 years? I would include college and even high school. Would growing up on a farm with all those supple, inviting animals lead to more and even stronger drugs... No wait! That's marijuana, my bad! I think the posters here are on the right track. His comments made my short hairs prickle too.

the farm animals? name escapes me at the moment.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=136

snip:

And then there is the Neal Horsley who boasts to a young acolyte about having sex with men and with mules, the aging Vietnam War protester who says that "smoking dope, fucking and boozing, that's who I am naturally."

The Horsley who served 2 1/2 years in federal prison for dealing hashish oil. The Horsley who put up photographs on his Web site of naked men engaging in homosexual acts and a nude woman engaging in bestiality amid shots of grotesquely maimed fetuses.

bullies,narcissists and religious bigots racists homophobic shitheads and bullies of any kind are who most NEED TO BE CONTROLLED.It's meddlesome control freaks who can't handle other peoples freedom or identity .The rigid authoritarian meddlers are out of control and need the leash.
And Bush-co is a prime example of what type of asshole needs a muzzle and leash so the rest of us can live our lives..

That is some of the loopiest crap I have ever read.

I just woke up and my whole day is just spinning around.

I haven't met anyone driven insane by sex. Don't know anyone who has killed a prostitute. Know a few guys who fell in love with strippers, but it all worked out.

These fundies must run in some decadent circles at night, which is why they feel the need to "purge" through Jeebus-Gawd by day. They are so out of control in their own lives, they think EVERYONE is that way.

I bet this guy has actually killed a prostitute, and never understood why he fell in love with her over his pasty, Christian wife with her hermetically sealed thighs.

Read it and grab a barf bag.
http://www.armchairsubversive.com/

The more liberal the country, the less the crime rate, including sex crimes.

And because pedophilia hurts kids forever alot of the time .What do ya do with adult psychopaths who insist on hurting people and think they aren't or don't admit they hurt others because they want to get away with keeping on hurting others? People are not psychopaths because of social taboo .Psychopaths are dangerous and they have no empathy. Why I dunno,either way they can not be trusted. How can you explain even when there are no taboos(as in private) psychopaths choose to hurt people? Is it because they like to hurt others? I think so.. And you know a peaceful society cannot stay peaceful if some members are psychopaths and refuse to stop harming others for their own amusement..right?


Taboos are an inefficient way to stop psychopathy. Sure taboos make things worse,well how about educating people on what a bully is not to know the bully's mind but to recognize their behaviors so people who would be preyed upon can stay away from them,or expose them to others before they get hurt And some education for bystanders so they don't sit on their ass together waiting for one of them to do something..deffering responsibility to each other so nothing gets done to help a person being attacked..And teaching people how to live with each other as individuals that need each other equally without relying on authority figures or a state to care or fill in where the community should.A state is not a community despite when it thinks it isa community,and even if the governed thinks it is a community too the state is not.The state is authoritarian it makes laws to defend the people that rule.And some of those rulers to become rulers are psycchopaths and bullies who desire power over others..

But since you brought it up. I'm not defending pedophilia and anyone who asks questions risks being accused of that.
How do you know? Why is it less of a problem in liberal countries? Do you think pedophiles are "born criminals"?

As you said: I am scared for Us..seriously..

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/undergroundpanther

No doubt, pedophiles are only the first target of eugenics.

My point was that since all sex is dirty and sinful, that makes it more difficult to separate sin from healthy sex. Maybe pedophilia gets mixed up in there, maybe not, but even if it does, I'm not going to defend it. I will say though that if alternatives were more freely available without taboos, maybe there would be more healthy choices. The too-twisted usually grow up in repressive families.

I agree all sex being sinful is stupid and people with that mentality create some bad issues in society..

But also some people who are libertine take advantage of people's exploration,innocence or vunerability and pull the libertine card and laments the opression of social taboo card to excuse themselves when they hurt someone else. Alot of rapists want to blame the victim for what the perp did,and sometimes our culture excuses rape and blames the victim..


BUT that said I could of used psycchopath in place of pedophile in this argument just as easily . Does that make my point any less valid here? I don't think so.

Taboos don't cause psychopathy.And a society tolerant of murder for kicks would be unlivable.

Some taboos serve a useful purpose in society .
Others don't.Some are downright harmful.As a culture we have to figure out which is which and not tolerate people getting abused in the process.

THAT was the intent of my post.I used pedophilia because there is a sexual topic to the thread itself.
I didn't say or intend to imply you were a pedophile apologist.
Ok?

Generally, If everyone involved is a consenting adult- it's no one else's business.

And that's my point.

Don't get cured because they like doing what they do, they play games about it and pull the mental illness card to escape the cost of their crimes,they know they hurt kids and do it anyway,because they are psychopaths,and Bush-co is full of psychopaths,maybe not the pedophile variety,,but psychopaths non the less,Hitler was a psychopath and he NEVER went to the gas chamber.He shot himself because he was afraid of trial and the price of his crimes against humanity.He didn't want to lose the game he was playing with himself and the world. In true coward bully style,he took his ball ,left the playground rather than face the music from the world he hurt.

Psychopaths seem to escape the stigmas and hate vulnerable mentally ill people face.Psychopaths don't feel any guilt,shame,or empathy for anyone.
Psychopaths and pedophiles are not suffering from psychiatric injuries, if they have them..If their childhoods were horrid they chose at some point to identify with the perpetrator and kill their conscience and if nothing can stop them from doing that as adults... how do we who are not psychopaths ever have hope for living together as a people in peace?

The state cannot be trusted to execute anyone.
I am pro self defense but things get murky when the state cannot be trusted to defend me from psychopaths because THEY are a bunch of psychopaths.
What can you do?

for an insecure, repressive individual, having power and control over the most vulnerable, gives them a feel of control and superiority. And, in regards to sex, repression causes violence and perversion. Healthy sex is consensual sex between two adults, not the sick preying on the vulnerable and innocent of society. Authoritarian control comes down to also controlling one's sexual life and birthing rights. This is so very 1984ish.

Or about psychopaths. He is not claiming, as so many on the Right do, that pedophiles are gay.

He's talking about "casual sex."

That's what I was talking about. Sexual repression is the cause. O'Reilly is the perfect example. Talk about projection!

about pedophilia, as the debate gravitated towards taboos. I know he didn't mention pedophilia.;-)

Yall didn't catch this..why would this repressed jerk be talking about how out of control others desires are?
It's projection true,like other people upthread said.. But isn't taboo it's the assumption that this asshole has in his head that HE knows everyone elses habits based in the sickness in his unconsious he projects everywhere but it's source.
He wants to CONTROL desire itself like all these self rightous hypocrites, He HATES consent,preferably he desires to control everyone elses life so he can control the nightmare in his own head he can't control or doesen't want to and resents he has to to keep power or stay out of jail, every waking moment of his miserable days,And isn't that the issue Control? Domination,violation of consent?

Taboo became a side track in the discussion ..but still it's a roundabout point I'm seeing here,,all about power vs vunerability and consent and the disrespect of others "for thier own good" which is really for his power trip that makes him feel in control of his world.Which is all he sees... This jerk thinks he has so much domination power he can control consenting adults like unruly children..Hmmm...didn't bush say once Americans were like children,he the father....There is a parellele..

Holy shit, what a psycho.

"I've never met a white man in more desperate need of a blow job..." :rofl:

ON EDIT: Heh heh. I see someone else beat me to it on this one--but it's well worth repeating! :toast:

my privacy, my belief that people of other races actually have the right to live in peace. Stay the hell away from my fires.

clan.

Scary!!

Oh Mr Zinsmeister, here are some other "militant middle american advocates"


from: http://www.publiceye.org/gallery/kkk/

Just to emphasize.. this Zinnmeister fuckwad is the White House's chief domestic policy advisor!

"I learned in Washington that there is an 'overclass' in this country stocked with cheating, shifty human beings that's just as morally repugnant as our 'underclass.' "

He hates the 'overclass' and the 'underclass'... Really, quite a good little brownshirt mother fucker.

Thanks for posting this!

succinctly:

The aim of the Party was not merely to prevent men and women from forming loyalties which it might not be able to control. ... The only recognized purpose of marriage was to beget children for the service of the Party. Sexual intercourse was to be looked on as a slightly disgusting minor operation, like having an enema. This again was never put into plain words, but in an indirect way it was rubbed into every Party member from childhood onwards. There were even organizations such as the Junior Anti-Sex League, which advocated complete celibacy for both sexes. All children were to be begotten by artificial insemination (artsem, it was called in Newspeak) and brought up in public institutions. This, Winston was aware, was not meant altogether seriously, but somehow it fitted in with the general ideology of the Party. The Party was trying to kill the sex instinct, or, if it could not be killed, then to distort it and dirty it. He did not know why this was so, but it seemed natural that it should be so. And as far as the women were concerned, the Party's efforts were largely successful.

http://www.online-literature.com/view.php/1984/6?term=anti-sex

People kill prostitutes??????????

Methinks thou dost PROJECT too much!!!!!!!!!

Yup, this guy is into killing prostitutes.

but I'd be willing to bet he's fantasized about it.

make me someone who needs to be governed?

Here's hoping that he'll be out of government in 2-and-a-half years.

aren't there some kind of minimum standards, this man should not be in a government post

Just because we have hundreds of Michael Browns on the payroll, they should not have been hired
and sooner or later, the American people will not have the government we need but what has
been catapulted on them by the decider.

Government for the psychopaths by psychopaths dominating the rest of us and pretending they care about us...

is that if said employee ever does rekindle the dying embers of their soul and try to start telling the truth, you can always use blackmail as a disciplinary tool. It's win-win for them, really.

They're expected to spout this kind of crap.

Certainly. How do you think this guy got the job? Ya think he actually killed prostitutes or was he just padding his resume?

From article, Zinsmeister's words:

Declaration of Independence excerpt:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted ...

Note the capitalized words: "Creator" ('God' not the chosen word), "Rights", "Life", "Liberty", "Happiness", and "Governments" (to secure aforementioned rights).

Ask yourself how "Life", "Liberty", and "Happiness" relates to sex.

It seems Zinsmeister is at war with the government of our founders who believed the purpose of government was to secure the "Rights" mentioned for its citizens.

He just gatta be a freakin Levite..always wanting to Dominate

Overpaid and Incompetent

it seems that he is mirroring possibly his own behavior or his id is coming out. Killing prostitutes? Who thinks this way? His words are not mentally healthy.

Clearly.

states that sexual repression leads to violence and perversion. And, that the state (he was talking specifically about Germany) controls the head of the house (father) through fear and nationalism and the head of the family controls the spouse and children through fear. A true authoritarian, patriarchal progression (trickle down fascism). Because sexual repression may cause an increase in violence, a country who is at war, may use that pent-up energy for killing instead of expending it on loving.

Reich was way ahead of his time. No wonder we burned his books.

The principle of the Orgone Box.
Organic and inorganic materials in layers..What was it supposed to do? Why did it have to be made that way? I ask this out of curiousity. And BTW his books are very interesting and his stuiff about character armor is downright fascinating.

Offshoring, et al, destroys families.

Or do they want families to rot in the gutter together?

Unable to feed thier kids,or to get along,is what they want,it makes people desperate enough to do anything survive,even to be slaves.To sell thier labor body parts children... to the rich dominators for a bit of food peace or marital relief.
This asshole comments quotes cut to the evil inside him.In a veiled way..
Unhappiness and lack of community to fall back on,breeds addiction and like big tobacco proves addiction is PROFITABLE.

grow directly out of sexual choices."

Where da White womens at?

Having the sex keeps me normal. This guy is fucked up.

Some us don't have one,or it's low.
Everyone is different.And that has to be considered.
The bottom line is respect,consent and balance of power.
And our culture is very very messed up regarding these issues..

You keep things bottled up too long, you're going to eventually explode.

mr zinsmeister spends hours each day thinking about your weewees and hoohaws -- and who your share your weewee and hoohaw with.

he craves, hungers to know what you do for sexual fun.

and then his guilt is so overwhelming that he blames you for his thoughts.

his guilt is huge -- monsterous -- so much so that he has the temerity to believe that it can be controlled over a whole country.

he thinks about it so much that here he is in an interview and one of the first outrageous acts he can think of is the murdering of prostitutes.

a time honoured tradition for some sick fucks whose blood and guilt run sooo hot that they have to kill -- and kill prostitutes in particular.

mr zinmeister you are either a very deep sadist or masochist -- i'm not sure which -- but you really should check yourself into an institution before you really hurt someone.

and. don't. come. out. again.

Actually, sexual supression drives people to do insane things. Sex is a natuaral function for all animals, which procreate to survive. We humans indulge in sex because we enjoy it for the most part, it relieves stresses and is healthy.

Back in when religion ruled, you know..the DARK AGES. They tried to supress sex and condenm it, but ultimatly the church was playing the hypocrite yet again. Priest used Nuns like sex toys or property and excerised in many cult like sexual practices inside the churches.

I recommend the following reading:
http://www.luigicascioli.it/nudismo_eng.php
http://www.luigicascioli.it/sesso_eng.php

what Zinsmeister is taking, but if sex is that "intense" to him, drives him "to insanity", maybe they better watch this wing-nut.

I mean, he can only comment from his own experiences, right?

lock Dr.Phil and the SinMiester in a padded room together, oh and include some rubber chaps or something...
eventually they'll both work it out somehow.


Rec!

dp

with the iron maiden and the chastity belt!

a very powerful energy and people do strange things.

but govern it, no thank you.

We may fight over Al, Hillary or Russ for 2008. But one thing is sure agreed on.....it takes 2.8 seconds to come up with some clever observations about this disturbed fashist Bushbot.

:)

and declaring them as official public policy to be wrong, evil & illegal - THAT'S what's insane.

It's interesting that Scalia holds completely opposite views; going so far as to say that sexual orgies should be promoted because they relieves social tensions. But maybe that'll be part of the governing of sex?

but nobody ever does anything about it.

If this story were to get out of the WaPo into say Oprah or some other venue that rel peeople pay attention to, it would hurt the GOP.

If he had expressed doubts about organized religion he would be "unfit" for a position in this (or any) administration. But let someone basically confess that he is a violent, fascist, racist sexual deviant...nope, nothing to see here.