If pictures of the kidnapped soldiers

are released showing them being tortured and humiliated will limbaugh sell more t-shirts and gaff it off as just wacky young Arabs having a good time? Club Baghdad T-shirt would look good and be quite appropriate on a bush supporter. Or will "conservatives" whine about the Geneva Convention being violated?

Let us all pray they will be found safe and sound, and with the rest of our kids put on a big old plane and flown home.

Told me that the German Soldiers rushed to be taken captive by the US Army Forces during the final days of the war. Why? My Dad said proudly, "We (the USA) treated all prisoners better than the Russians." That was not just his view ... many German Soldiers attested to the above. Granted, we had our loose cannon units torturing prisoners, but back during WWII they were the ABERRATION.

Since it's A OK to torture our Prisoners of War according to THE TOP (Gonzales and Rumsfeld), we can NOT inspire outrage within the World Community should OUR PRESENT CAPTIVES be tortured.

It should make any, older, once Proud American cry. We have genuinely lost the moral high ground by allowing * to maintain these cruel, IMO, madmen. :cry: :thumbdown:

May God look over these two dear men in captivity. May He encourage their captors to treat them humanely. These American Soldiers are NOT the monsters who sent them to kill and die for Corporate Warmongers.

Humane treatment of German POWs in American prison camps helped bring about Germany's surrender. This was somewhat of a controversial program as German POWs were permitted to work on American farms (this was actually a reward for good behavior--many German POWs came from farms in Germany), and permitted to have camp stores offering wine and beer, among other privileges. Many American citizens thought German POWs experience better conditions than American soldiers. But the idea was to treat the German POWs as humanely as possible and their letters home to Germany would highlight this fact, making a "fight to the death" unnecessary since capture did not mean a hellish existence (like what one might expect at the hands of the Russians).

I believe the SS fanatics were weeded out (and sent to a camp in Oklahoma), helping to make the program successful.

that we're playing their game. They are looking to purchase a little sanctuary in order to recover from the loss of Zarquawi and we're giving it to them by diverting all our energies onto these two soldiers. I feel terrible for these guys but we need to be wary of taking our eyes off of the ball every time something like this happens.

I smell a trap here.

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We're not diverting all our energies. * is using their tragic circumstance for another PR Ploy.

Please remember THEM is not only "the insurgency" ... THEM also includes the evil and conniving Corporate Warmongers who are keeping our soldiers smack in the middle of a *civil war.*

We will NOT win in Iraq. No amount of cheer-leading on the Republican's part will stop the Average Iraqi from throwing EVERY DAMN THING at us AND their sworn sectarian enemies.

The USA is caught in the middle and is only staying there for callous Geopolitical and Corporate interests.

We should leave NOW, but we won't. Maybe when The Draft is reinstated, the masses we know as The Average Working American will not be so *stoked* to send their children to kill and die for Corporate America?

US vs. THEM is not so clear cut: Iraqi Military? Iraqi Police Forces? Insurgents?, al Quaeda?, Sunnis?, Shias?, Kurds?, imported Death Squad Mercenaries?, USA Corporate Mercenaries, CIA Assets? ---> What's a troop to do?

and complete disregard for Iraqi life. We go wall to wall media nuts, when two of our soldiers are taken captive. How do you think Iraqi's feel who have had family members abducted from their homes? By soldiers in Iraqi or coalition uniforms? Bush will get his poll bump on this one but it effects our strategy of winning over support from the average Iraqi. But as usual, Bush & the GOP's political future is more important than the safety of our troops or Bush's stated mission of bringing peace to the Iraqi's. Also has anyone mentioned the soldier that went missing in 2004? I think his name was Maudlin. No one talks about him anymore.


AValdoux

Soldiers are captured - taken prisoner - they are not kidnapped. The right cannot both claim it is the central front in the war on terror and that our soldiers are 'kidnapped' when they are attacked and taken prisoner. It is all about the framing. Please do not propagate their bullshit.

You're absolutely correct. They have been taken prisoner. Let's hope and pray that those who have them can see the humanity in their individual hearts. However, our leaders have failed to maintain the moral high ground. If they're tortured, the captors will answer to their God.

However, WE THE PEOPLE of the USA, should INSIST that Our Leaders (Rumsfeld and Gonzales, in particular) need to ANSWER (and pay) for their moral depravity. If these men are drawn and quartered, our leaders have "given away" any MORAL OUTRAGE that we will decry. We must ensure that these evil men are punished by Our USA Judicial System. I hope and pray every night that they will be made to answer for their IMO TREASON. :grr:

We have violated Geneva Conventions, which basically means any opposition may feel that they have no need to treat our soldiers in a humane way. Yeah, I've read the meme that "they behead our guys". Not all were beheaded-Jessica Lynch comes immediately to mind--she was, I believed, actually helped by Iraqi doctors. Will the Iraqis be likely to extend the kindness to the most recent POWs, or have we worn out our good will? I fear for the soldiers in captivity.

Now you say, "Who's Tom Fox?"