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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:29 PM
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Webb challenges Allen to 5 debates (VA Senate race)

Webb challenges Allen to 5 debates

By the Associated Press
June 19, 2006

RICHMOND, Va. -- Democratic nominee James Webb on Monday challenged Sen. George Allen to a series of debates to address the war in Iraq, U.S. national security policies, illegal immigration and the disparity between wealthy and poor Americans.

"Virginia's voters are sophisticated and knowledgeable and they expect and deserve a discussion about issues," Webb's campaign manager, Jessica Vanden Berg, wrote in a letter to Allen's campaign manager, Dick Wadhams. "We should not insult them or underestimate them by avoiding the tough questions."

Wadhams didn't immediately return a telephone message Monday afternoon.

Webb has said the Iraq war is one of many Bush administration missteps that have left voters disgruntled, and he thinks so-called "Reagan Democrats"--moderate, middle-class and largely rural whites--will return to the Democratic Party this fall.

A Vietman war hero and former Reagan Navy secretary, Webb broke with the Republicans over the Iraq war and is a key player in Democrats' fall strategy to win the six seats necessary to take over the Senate.

more...

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--webb-allendebates0619jun19,0,3148293.story?coll=dp-headlines-virginia



Will Allen show?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:35 PM
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1. He'll probably have to give him at least one, maybe two...
hopefully Webb will be able to wipe the floor with him. Allen's already running ads, so this is going to cost him.

Virginians, and other interested Democrats, Webb is going to need alot of money, so give generously!

WESPAC is giving him money, so give there if you so choose.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:40 PM
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3. I can't see Allen doing more than 3 debates.
Allen is quiet a dim bulb. Maybe asking for 5 is a way to force him into 3?
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DUBYASCREWEDUS Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:59 PM
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4. Dim Bulbs
can become President. See current occupant of this office.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:04 PM
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6. Yep. Allen Is The Republican Prototype for the White House
Dumb? Check
Racist past? Check
Phony Christian values? Check
Loves the Death Penalty? Check
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:48 PM
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9. Running for Senate is "hard work" !
Eh, Georgie ? Especially when the Senate bores you.

It's no secret he wants to be President, which means he won't be in Virginia very much in 2007 and '08 if he keeps his seat.

That should be Webb's number one "debate" question :evilgrin:
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 09:55 PM
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20. I wonder if Allen is going to come out against...
the Dred Scott decision in the debate. He seems to look up to the chimp so much.
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 09:53 PM
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19. Dim bulbs lost in November in VA
Let's hope this is a repeat.

The issue is George Allen is running on empty. NOVA (NOrthern VA - Fairfax County, Arlington County, Alexandria, Alexandria City, some of Prince William County)is definitely more diverse that it was when George Allen ran last. NOVA is where the $ is, look for a loss for George Allen.

Too many "liberals" are living in NOVA today.
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:29 PM
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28. Can Allen even count to 5? n/t
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:40 PM
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2. Time for somebody in a chicken suit to start following Allen around?
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 01:40 PM by Pirate Smile
:evilgrin:





Depending on his answer, of course.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:59 PM
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5. Snarky reply from "the Candidate"
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 04:18 PM by The_Casual_Observer
Crocker Jarman says "Of course you would, sonny".

Allen will say, " I am too busy with important war time matters to waste time on 5 debates, one on a Sunday afternoon at 3:00 pm will be enough".

Webb ought to immediately mention the stars and bars.
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AValdoux Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:19 PM
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7. Allen's comment at Bolton Confirmation
When the democratic senators wanted a closed session for national secuirty reasons. Allen explained it wasn't necessary because as a prosecutor he had experience questioning witnesses in sexual abuse cases and he could be discrete. Kerry quickly corrected him and had to explain that the secrecy was about national security not the witness feelings. I'm paraphrasing but when I heard this exchange, I knew what we were dealing with here, an idiot with a smarmy attitude to boot. I hope Webb mops the floor with him. I can't believe they are thinking this guy is presidential material. Oh yeah, we got Bush now?


AValdoux
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:23 PM
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8. Webb should have commercials
of him going to Iowa when Allen is there and ask him why he is never in Virginia
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:51 PM
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10. Don't let DLC "handlers" anywhere near Webb
Al Gore in the 2000 debates (remember the makeup in the second?), John Kerry ignoring the Swiftboaters - the handiwork of the DLC is everywhere to be found. Webb is a bright and credible candidate. Allen is neither. Time for some straight talk from the Dems. Screw the little issues, take on the war.
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Trouser Trout Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:09 PM
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11. Doesn't that ugly mug of Allen's remind you of that bozo
congressman from Georgia who was abused by S. Colbert the other day?Separated by birth?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:18 PM
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12. Great name, Trou. Welcome to DU.
For 15 years, a group of college buddies (including me) and hangers on went on the Trouser Trout Weekend every May at the opening of trout season. Camping on the river. Not much fishing. Lots of drinking around the bonfire. Finally gave it up about 13 years ago as we got too old to sleep on the ground and party like that. It was definitely a guy thing, and it was a lot of fun. We regressed a few years each spring then, though.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:35 AM
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31. Webb should kick out the DLCers if there are any in his camp.
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 08:36 AM by oc2002
DLCers will screw him the first chance they get. Webb is no liberal by any stretch, but he is not a sellout like the DLC is to corporate powers. also considering that the DLC supported Harris over him, Webb should not let them anywhere near him.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:19 PM
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13. Saw Allen on Hardball; he really is incredibly dumb, isn't he?
He didn't seem to have a clue, nor a quick mind. Shouldn't be much of a debate(s), though could be entertaining! :evilgrin:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 06:43 PM
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15. Worse, Allen is every bit of a jerk as Bush is. They are exactly alike. nt
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 06:37 PM
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14. I can hardly imagine him in a debate...
He always has a silly dipshit grin on his face like there's a sign on his head "space for rent"
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 07:19 PM
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16. Who will moderate the debates?
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 07:19 PM by Joe Bacon
If it's Tim Russert, He'll stab Webb every chance he can

If it's Jim Liar, er, Lehrer, he's gonna kiss Allen's ass on stage.

If it's Larry King, He'll just throw softballs at Allen.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:54 AM
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25. My guess would be Larry Sabato...n/t
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 07:27 PM
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17. Allen will come up with excuses why he can't debate, or,
if he does agree to one or two, watch for him to make very rigid rules. All questions submitted in advance. Neither candidate permitted to directly question the other or comment on the other's responses. No topics of a personal nature.

No way does Allen want to be standing there with a shit eating grin on his face and have Webb or a questioner ask him to explain his affinity for the Confederacy going back decades or the racist graffiti on the high school walls.

If Webb is smart he'll forget all about his comment that looking into Allen's past is "hitting below the belt." The idiot needs to be pummeled from every direction.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:21 PM
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21. all the more reason Webb is JUST thr right kinda guy who should
tell him no dice and play hardball and embarrass Allen for not being able to mentally debate and attack his mental state of mind and say things like "why can't we debate like in real politics, this kind of dancing around the issues implies a weak mind or fear of the obvious - that the voters will see that Allen is only looking out for his paycheck and his right wing cronies who are profiting from the war!"


or something like that!


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<<--- TOP 06 & 08 Pro Dem Stickers and Anti-Rep & *ush
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:26 PM
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27. Allen has no confederate heritage
I hope someone forces him to talk about that fact. His confederate leanings are for hate not heritage.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:03 PM
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29. No Confederate heritage, but a lifelong
love affair with the Confederate flag. I had the misfortune of attending high school with him and saw his racial hatred up close and personal in the graffiti he sprayed on the school walls the day our basketball team was to was to play a predominently black team from a working class neighborhood.

Allen was probably the only teenager in Southern California to drive around with Confederate flag bumper stickers on his car and he was one of just two racist morons to wear a Confederate flag lapel pin for his senior portrait.

Now when asked about all this shit the best he can come up with is he doesn't remember (the bumper stickers) or he sort of remembers doing it (the flag pin) (the graffiti) and thinks it might have been just a reflection of "youthful rebellion." Youthful rebellion, my ass.

Webb has to get this out there. Yes, it was a long time ago. Yes, people can change. However, rather than own up to it and express remorse over it, Allen just lies about it. Typical repuke.
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Joy Anne Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 08:23 PM
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18. welfare reform?
Democrats are obstructing Republican efforts at "welfare reform"? What's that supposed to mean? In the Clinton years, they pretty much eliminated "welfare as we know it." So what is it now? Privatizing Social Security? Or maybe they're planning to do away with Medicaid altogether?

http://badattitudes.com/MT/archives/003938.html
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:49 PM
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23. Welcome!
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Joy Anne Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:58 AM
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24. such long periods?
Since Clinton's "reforms," people on welfare are limited to 5 years LIFETIME. Plus they have work requirements during that 5 years, and often inadequate childcare aid while fulfilling those requirements.

I volunteered at a church homeless shelter over the winter and was shocked to learn that most of the homeless were WORKING. I had to supply loaner alarm clocks to some who had to wake up by 5 to get to work on time, and some working second shift had written permission to be admitted to the shelter after lockdown. On minimum wage, they can't afford rent, and certainly not a deposit and a month in advance.

The only unworthy long-term welfare recipients in this country these days are corporations.

You need to get acquainted with reality before condemning indigent and self-defeating people on the dole. "Welfare Cadillac queen" is a Republican meme.

And my comment had to do with what further havoc the Republicans were planning to wreak in their You're on Your Own economy. I believe we're all in the same boat together.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:58 AM
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26. Do you have any facts to back this up
:shrug:
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:31 AM
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30. Webb has shown that he can take on opponents with more money and win.

going on the offensive and staying there is his best chance to take the seat.
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TheVirginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:37 PM
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32. George Allen is a far better campaigner than Harris Miller
Most observers agreed that Miller ran a horrible campaign. Not too bad for someone who's never run before, but not nearly good enough to be considered a viable candidate.
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