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serryjw

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Tue Jun-20-06 11:37 AM
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Need help debunking my RW cousin

We are still at it ..now its about N.Korea's test. I contend this is happening because of *'s axil of evil and the Iraq invasion....When did we see any posturing from N. Korea during Clinton's administration that we thought they were an IMMEDIATE threat?

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Crazy Dave

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Tue Jun-20-06 11:42 AM
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1. It's another cold war

Same with Iran. Fear tactics used on both sides to give the leaders more power and to justify massive deficits created by bloated defense budgets. It's also a great excuse to take money away from social and education programs in the name of protecting "us" from "them".

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zbdent

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Tue Jun-20-06 12:02 PM
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2. I heard Condi invoking the 1999 agreement (with Clinton!!!) as part of

the "stuff that N. Korea" has thrown out.

Um, wasn't that Bush that threw out nearly everything that Clinton had built up?

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HiFructosePronSyrup

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Tue Jun-20-06 12:17 PM
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5. Yup. We were making good progress with NK

...under Clinton. As soon as Bush got in office he started insulting NK and cutting off diplomatic ties.

Bush wanted this to happen.

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nijumet

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Tue Jun-20-06 12:10 PM
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3. "Pre-emptive" strikes ...

... are far more problematic against member of the so-called "nuclear club".

To that end, the Bush Doctrine incents membership; it has its privileges.

Course, it also creates the "need" for the party reserving the right to invoke pre-emptive strikes not only for ongoing R&D Re: offensive weapons systems (to improve first-strike capability), but it also creates the "need" for R&D Re: defensive weapons systems (to counter a response should a first-strike prove insufficient).

So ... everybody wins.

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RedStateShame

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Tue Jun-20-06 12:15 PM
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4. If your cousin is a male...

punch him in the nuts. Really hard. When he asks why, say it was a pre-emptive strike.

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Dems Will Win

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Tue Jun-20-06 12:31 PM
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6. Bush did not even try to talk to N.Korea for years

Then they sent BILL RICHARDSON as the NKs would only talk to him, now they still insist on the useless 6-party talks which they know just piss the NKs off. Bushco deliberately let NK get the nukes and the long-range missiles.

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ItNerd4life

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Tue Jun-20-06 01:14 PM
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7. N. Korea broke promises to Clinton

Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 01:15 PM by ItNerd4life

and continued with their development of their nuclear program. However, during Clinton they weren't an immediate threat, but it was because they didn't have the technological capabilities.

By ignoring them 6 years, Bush has allowed them to develop their capabilities. If Bush was so F'ing smart, why did he claim N.Korea was part of the axis of evil but not come up with a plan on how to solve the problem? He only had a plan for 1 of the 3, that's not being smart.

On edit: And we all know how smart the plan for 1 of them was (Iraq). Maybe it's a good thing he didn't have a plan for the other 2 axis of evil? :P

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adwon

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Tue Jun-20-06 01:18 PM
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8. Bit more complicated

The regime has been under great stress since 1991. No more Soviet sponsorship, lukewarm relations with China, famine, and the death of its only legitimate leader. The Axis of Evil bit didn't help, but the posturing is just as much for domestic consumption. This is a common characteristic of totalitarian regimes. In essence, the fire was already burning and Numbnuts decided adding some gas wouldn't hurt.

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