Cindy Sheehan...Just clear this up

What is Snopes.com? Is that right-wing? This is comment from someone on another board. Feel free to educate me.



Obviously, this is a picture in a cemetery. What cemetery and whose grave? Yes, it's sadly the grave of Casey Sheehan. After two years, and a DOD payment of $250,000 life insurance to the "Peace Mom", she has not had the time or bothered to have a headstone placed on this young hero's grave. And, she doesn't even have to pay for one, the DOD will provide one:

"The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) furnishes upon request, at no charge to the applicant, a government headstone or marker for the grave of any deceased eligible veteran in any cemetery around the world. For all deaths occurring before September 11, 2001, the VA may provide a headstone or marker only for graves that are not marked with a private headstone.

Flat markers in granite, marble, and bronze and upright headstones in granite and marble are available. The style chosen must be consistent with existing monuments at the place of burial. Niche markers are also available to mark columbaria used for internment of cremated remains."

She can find time to protest on at least 3 continents, get arrested various times, go on vacation in Hawaii, have photo ops with the Marxists in Venezuela but can't seem to find the time to properly mark her son's grave.

Cindy Sheehan recently treated herself to a brand new Volkswagen Beetle convertible. She still can't be bothered to buy a grave marker for her son though.


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No problem, Gator.



I also found it interesting that she gave up custody of that son in her divorce with her first husband. Okay, so that's not a big deal, until it came to light that she is currently going through another divorce and giving up custody of another son.



So while she can take the time to grieve in front of a camera, she can't take the time to raise her children. Or buy them a headstone for that matter.



Although I think I read that a headstone was finally placed at her son's grave recently.

Right-wing smear artists have nothing to go on but lies & smears-

They cant counter what she says with facts- so they try to slant what she does in her family affairs.

I've never been so sick of a group of people in my life- no shame, no shame.

I'd be more interested in what she says than some trumped up back-story.

I'm not looking for Saints or "perfect" people to speak out- just normal, everyday folks like Sheehan.

Next you people will be telling me her son is not really dead or that she really hated him or some other crap.

I didn't post to flame, but to get the facts. The idiot who posted this bashed me with Swift Boat crap in the election and I get tired of his shit. But I haven't been in the loop lately.

Before you catapult propaganda.

I catupulted it, because many here are armed with some great information and I wanted to know the real story.

So you didn't like what it said and neither did I, but under the light of scrutiny it can be exposed as a farce...maybe more people will see it and rebutt the attacks that come their way.

I just don't have time following all the news tidbits right now...

I would steer the debate back to the topic- the war, not the tombstone or lack thereof.

Dont fall for the oldest RW trick in the book.

And yes, you are right...This is definately one of their main tricks.

My family and I get into this when we talk Vietnam, the protestors

-hated America
-were commies
-spit on troops

I get caught up in that and never ask them, "But where they right?"

that goes

'I had an argument with a freeper friend of mine'

-- insert big trolling rightwing hate propaganda here --

'help me debunk this'

Now some of these posts are just people too lazy to do any research or otherwise spend the 10 seconds generally required to get some facts, soem are just honest mistakes, and others are our secret freeper friends sneaking their crap onto some liberal blog in order to both propagate the smear and mix things up. I've never been able to figure out how to tell the difference.

You suggest one may be lazy, but then fail to investigate yourself. Instead of implying my agenda, figure it out. Or was it just an honest mistake?

You fail to find most posts to "prove" I am not a troll, but then admonish me for being lazy.

Thing is, I believe the value of this Website is to print what the other side is saying, because almost every time the statements are refuted with aplomb and style. We are here to help people. Sure, I could Google and search and find 10 links that helps me out, but if someone has the links/information why wouldn’t they just share it.

If I have access to information that a fellow DU poster wants I am not going to tell them they are lazy, imply they are trolls…I will provide for them any and all information I can that will help them see the truth of the situation.

I won’t accost them either. If you really want to challenge my politics and my agenda here you will come off looking like a real tool.

Guilty as charged. Now would you also agree that catapulting hatemail like you just did is perhaps not a great idea?

Maye I should have started the thread differently...I could have started a thread to get the answers without promoting the propaganda.

BTW-Me and another poster has responded to this guy, but he has yet to respond back. He and I are good friends and talk on the phone, but I cringe at his politics, not because he is Conservative necessarily, but because he is so often dis-honest about it.

She is a flawed human being like the rest of us. If what happened in her personal life is accurate, she may not have been the best of mothers. Perhaps she realized that, and through Casey's death, is atoning for it in her own way. Who are we to judge.

The problem with the Snopes "facts" and I am sure they are correct in that after an initial reading, they do not present her in the best of lights because of the fashion in which she has been portrayed.

We cannot know the answers or presume to know what her life has been. We can guess good or ill, it still does not take away from this illegal war which is clearly wrong.

Here's a link to what they are talking about

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sheehangrave.asp

Interesting. Do you spend a lot of time on this other board? Which board is it? Why do you propagate hatefomercials of dubious veracity about Cindy? What are you doing to end the war? Do you need help using google? Ah so many questions here, so little time.

The other board is a "sports board" Website.

Are you implying I am an imposter? LMMFAO...Go look at every single post I have ever made.

I merely posted that to get a rebuttal for what my friend had written.

As I posted elsewhere I simply cannot figure out why people post this sort of message.

Ask him whether Cindy has made any false statements about Bush or the war. Stay on topic.

Some folks really dont like coffins, funerals or tombstones- but would rather remember the life of the loved one.

Exactly what is this idiot tryong to say- that she did not really love her son because he is in an unmarked grave?

Dont let these jerks steer the debate into non-issues. Stay on topic.

In truth, I don't know what he was trying to say.

I remember this guy (a friend of mine no less) sending me pictures of these men who supposedly rejected John Kerry's statements about what he did in Vietnam. He got this crap off the Swiftboat Website.

Finally, when the men who actually DID serve with Kerry proved Kerry right this fooker didn't have anything to add.

I think he's just trying to destroy her good name. He has no agenda other than to kill her credibility, because they have nothing to say about this war. They are lemmings with no soul, no goals, other than to support this mutherfooker in the WhiteHouse and whatever corrupt, illegal agenda he has.

I am not "intuned" to the Sheehan issue, but I know the MO...Peace Protestors have been vilified since the beginning of time...they "hate America", they are "communist", they "spit on troops", they "are hypocrites"....All lies, but they are never called WRONG.

it investigates whether or not urban legends are true. Nuthin' more.

That doesn't (obviously) take a partisan side. Cindy Sheehan (according to Snopes.com) never gave Casey up - nor is she in the middle of her second divorce. She is currently in divorce proceedings with her first (and only) husband, the father of Casey.
The grave marker question is a little tougher - Ms. Sheehan has said in other places that placing a grave marker would have made Casey's death too real to her (a common, though rarely mentioned, reaction.) Her husband agreed to take the burden of selecting & placing a marker and that is the one which is now being placed there.
Does it really surprise you that Republicans, in a desperate attempt to deflect criticism resort to ad hominem attacks on critics - they start with a complete mis-statement of facts (there was a woman who had given up the son killed in the war & was undergoing a second divorce on the same O'Reilly show as Cindy Sheehan) and use it to show what terrible people these mothers are - as though a decision you think is in the best interest of your beloved child means you cannot grieve when that child's life is snuffed out in an unjust war? My stepson's father did not have custody of him - does that mean he loved Russell any less? Not from my observation - it only meant he did not have the wherewithal to raise him and made a decision that it was best for Russell to stay with his mother.
I am so sick and tired of people who judge others for the choices they make - it is un-Christian as well as being intellectually dishonest (we can dismiss people for the choices they made rather than debating the arguments they make.) Anyone who is that dismissive of others in a debate has already lost.

Granted, Sheehan is a public figure, but the pattern of the GOP/media disrepsecting people's private family matters exists none-the-less.