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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:14 PM
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Bull Moose in effect calls Gore a coward....says he lacks courage.
http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/2006/06/inconvenient-truth.html

An Inconvenient Truth
The Moose warns about the dangers of courage cooling.

"Al Gore has performed a service in advancing the cause of combating global warming. Unfortunately, he has set back the cause of courage in politics by refusing to support his running mate for reelection.

It is sad to see a good man pandering. Yes, it must be nice to receive the accolades from the MoveOn crowd and the Hollywood set. But, even better would have been for stand by the man he once thought could become President of the United States."


He then gives kudos to Donna Brazile for saying she will support Lieberman.

You have to look at Joe's record. He's been a true leader, a man of the people. I'm not conflicted, and I hope to be in Connecticut this summer for him," said Donna Brazile, campaign manager for Gore-Lieberman 2000.

Bully!


Thanks, Marshall Wittmann, non-Democrat, proud independent, Democrats turned Republican turned Independent again....thanks for offering such critique from the lofty offices of the DLC where you blog. Al Gore is still the man who should have been president, and you best hold your criticism.


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:17 PM
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1. That is pretty extreme, thanks for posting this.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:21 PM
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2. screw bullmoose. joementum & donna snooze brazile
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:13 PM
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32. Donna Brazile is personal pal of Karl Rove
She is as trustworthy to the Democrats as Al-Qaeda is to our military.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:51 PM
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38. She so sucks. BIGTIME.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:07 PM
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46. Whenever she speaks, I want to yell at her to blow her nose.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:28 PM
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48. "I'm the diplomat" so quotheth
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 09:28 PM by zidzi
the brazille.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:22 PM
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3. The first Para explains the problem, the second is simply bullshit!!
snip>
The Bull Moose is an unofficial blog sponsored by the Democratic Leadership Council. Although the Bull Moose has a deep affinity for the New Donkey, he is an independent in the tradition of Theodore Roosevelt's Progressive Party of 1912.

The Bull Moose advocates a progressive politics of national greatness that promotes a strong national defense, economic justice, political reform and national service. The Moose hopes that Democrats, Republicans and Independents who share this vision will join together to forge a new politics that defies the current partisan polarization.

http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/2004/10/about-bull-moose.html
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:22 PM
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4. That Bull Moose blogs for the DLC tells us more about DLC than it does him
And effing sad that is!
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:24 PM
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5. Bullsh*t
Lieberman is showing himself to be mentally unstable. Good for Gore to not wade into CT politics. I think Brazile will be surprised by the lack of enthusiasm for Lieberman by common people when she visits this state. She might even get challenged by some local residents about her blind support for Lieberman and his bad decision making.

I'd like to send Donna a DOD form with her name on it, so she can sign up and go fight in Iraq.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:27 PM
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6. Whatever.
Wonder what, or who they are scared of? Gee. Lemme think.
Wow. They really are desperate.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:30 PM
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7. And after all Joementum did in 2000 - dooming the recount!
(His 'let's count the fake military ballots "lost" the recount right then and there). Why oh, why, wouldn't Gore repay the favor? Oh, wait....
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:42 PM
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8. At the time in 2000 when Gore chose Lieberman he was
considered neutral. Today Lieberman is too far right. I could give you guys the reason but my post would be kicked off so I will bite my tongue. I am sure that the wise ones know what I mean. BTW my Jewish relatives were killed in WWII.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:43 PM
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9. The DLC hates Gore for running as a "noisy populist" at the end of
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 04:49 PM by iconoclastNYC
His 2000 campaign. By doing so he improved in the polls and pretty much destroyed the DLC made myth that the way for a Democrat to win the election is run as a "centrist" -- the D.C. inside the beltware defintion of "centrist", aka "corporatist"
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:44 PM
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10. I see it in an opposite light. n/t
n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:45 PM
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11. Not supporting Joementum means Gore has discerning good sense.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:54 PM
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27. It sure does!
Why would an antiwar Gore support a prowar Lieberman, when even Lieberman won't support the Democratic nominee?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:47 PM
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12. Bull Moose is wrong...but
If Lieberman gets the Democratic nomination, Gore ought to endorse his reelection.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:51 PM
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13. Liberman is threatening to run as an independent!
Yet lets make the story about Al Gore refusing to endorse him!

Liberman is disloyal to the party and that's why he's in the spot he is.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:01 PM
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15. Lieberman is not yet disloyal...
If he runs as an independent than I agree supporting him is not warranted...and I would not. In fact I would vote for Lamont if I lived in Connecticut.

But it would be hypocritical of me to criticize Schumer and Lieberman for not supporting the Democratic nominee, if I wasn't willing to do the same thing. Lamont has said he would support Lieberman if he wins the nod, and I think it is important for the Democratic leadership to do the same thing.

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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:06 PM
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18. Liberman is Fox news's go to guy for intra party trash talking
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 05:08 PM by iconoclastNYC
He criticizes the party in the press all the time.

He stabbed Gore in the back on the recount.

He undermines our party at every turn.

Is it any wonder why Bush stopped to play kissy face with him at the SOTU?

He's earned his title as Bush's favorite Democrat.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:11 PM
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19. He is still a Democrat...
And though he is an eternal suck up to the Bushies, particularly on the war...if he is the Democratic nominee he should get Democratic support. You may say there is no difference between him and a Republican...and on the war there is not. But in one crucial way he is different...he is a reliable vote for Harry Reid as majority leader...and one piece of a majority that will place Ted Kennedy as the chairman of the judiciary committee. That alone would be enough for me.

Fact is there are several issues on which he can be counted as a reliable Democratic vote (women's choice and the environment to name two).

Sometimes the choice is the lesser of two evils...and in that case I would take the lesser!
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:14 PM
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20. But he's not a loyal Democrat
He's a Bush sycophant and he's refused to rule out running as an independent.

Therein lies the irony in castigating Gore for not endorsing Liberman over Lamont.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:16 PM
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21. I am not castigating Gore...
I made clear in my original post that I thought Bull Moose was wrong to castigate Gore for not supporting Lieberman at this time. I think Gore thinks highly of Lieberman as a person and does not want to hurt his feelings, but probably would prefer Lamont. His reaction is entirely appropriate, and he is certainly not a coward for taking that position.

However, if Lieberman gets the nomination, Gore and every other Democratic leader should support his reelection, for the reason I enumerated in my previous post!
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:22 PM
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22. What makes you think Gore won't?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:36 PM
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24. I think he will...nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:24 PM
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33. Lieberman won't endorse the Democratic nominee
so why hold Gore to a standard that Lieberman won't adhere to?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 08:17 PM
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37. Again...Lieberman has not done anything yet...
There are four scenarios...

1. Lieberman wins the nomination. In that case Lamont has pledged to support him, and I believe Democratic leaders should as well.

2. Lieberman loses the nomination and endorses Lamont. ( If Lieberman loses I suspect this is what he will end up doing)

3. Lieberman loses but refuses to endorse Lamont but does not run as an independent. I doubt this will happen but if he does this he is a petulent jerk and it makes no difference what he says

4. Lieberman loses the nomination and runs as an independent. If he does so he is beneath contempt and loses all support from Democrats (hopefully).

In the end, it will be either scenario 1 or 2 IMO


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:32 PM
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49. So is zell
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:47 PM
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51. No he is not...for the simple reason...
That he actively advocated for the election of a member of the opposite party. He can call himself a Democrat all he wants, but once he did that he ceased being a Democrat. Thus far, Lieberman has not done that. And in the end, I don't expect that he will.

Policy wise, as odious as Lieberman's enthusiastic bootlicking is, he is still progressive in several areas. Miller is a right winger right down the line.



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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:01 PM
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14. I expect Donna Brazile will F*** up Joe's campaign as per her usual
poor performance. Joe is welcome to her, and I hope no other Dems ever avail themselves of her services.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:04 PM
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16. She is just awful...
I cannot stand her...she has an unbroken record of failure as a campaign manager, yet blathers on like she is a top notch political operative...ugh!
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:06 PM
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17. Joementum's royal courtiers are desperate
and Gore is watching & waving as they shamefully cross the Connecticut Rubicon then drive to Denial River Road to eat BS at Bull Moose's DLC blogshack.

Gore has the courage of his convictions! :patriot:
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:27 PM
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23. Bullmoose is a nut-job, fercripessake!
Take it from whence it comes, my friends.

TC
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:52 PM
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25. Bull Moose, aka Marshall Wittman, also supported McCain in 2000
McCain and Lieberman, what a pair!
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:56 PM
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29. I rest my case!
Please consider the source for this opinion.

TC
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:10 PM
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31. Bull Moose: " I'd support John McCain if he ran on the Socialist-Marxist"
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 07:11 PM by IndianaGreen
Here is a 2002 quote from Marshall Wittman, Bull Moose:

In a general election, McCain could expect to win most of the Democratic vote and most independent and swing voters as well, leaving Bush with only his conservative base.

While the likelihood of such a run is slim, even advisers who dismiss the scenario do so with an important proviso. "If you ask me, there's a 99-percent chance it won't happen," says Marshall Wittman, a McCain adviser and director of the Project for Conservative Reform. "But that said, I'd support John McCain if he ran on the Socialist-Marxist ticket." Such loyalty, even among many committed Republicans like Wittman, is characteristic of McCain's allure.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0205.green.html


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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:53 PM
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26. Fuck him. Fuck Donna Brazille. Al Gore is twice the human being
of either of them
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:25 PM
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52. Ten going on a hundred times... nt.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:56 PM
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28. Gore is not a coward.
I think he has erred tremendously. It is not out of cowardice, but genuine belief, IMO.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:01 PM
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30. Bull Moose will be first cheerleader for the McCain-Lieberman ticket
.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:46 PM
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34. The rich Neocon white males have bought off "progressives" just like
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 07:49 PM by shance
they own mainstream media.

They know the truth is getting out and they are trying to stop anything real or positive or honest from getting out.

They will always attack Al Gore. We must counter attack and know that the more they criticize Gore, in reality, that actually reveals what a incredible person and valuable leader he is. Remember everything is opposite of what they say with the Neocon white rich men.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:48 PM
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35. Bull Moose can...
suck my strap-on.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:49 PM
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36. Lieberman screwed Gore and the world
by saying in 2000, that all military ballots should be counted (regardless of whether they were cast AFTER the election).
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 02:12 PM
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43. He also stabbed Gore in the back after the election.
At the DLC's National Conversation in New York City, of all places.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:38 PM
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44. How?
NT
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:58 PM
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39. kick it folks - we've got a poster boy to create here n/t
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:24 PM
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40. Lieberman's mob buddies are really scared of Ned Lamont.
Marshall, Whitman, and the rest of the DLC mob need to drop dead!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:57 PM
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41. Bullshit! n/t
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 02:07 PM
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42. The poor DLC shill, trying so hard to be like Ann Coulter.
:puke:
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:09 PM
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45. Why on God's Earth should Gore support Lieberman? Holy Joe sucks,
plain and simple, and has become nothing but a bush* lapdog. Fuck bullmoose and whatever DLC animal he supposedly rode in on.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:27 PM
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47. Hey bullmoose! Are you as
dumb as your name implies? Gore has courage because HE DOESN'T ENDORSE THE bush LOVER!!


Woot! Are you purposely dense, bull?

And lie-berman SUCKS THE BIG ELEPHANT EGG.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:33 PM
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50. As people in Washington are fond of saying THINGS CHANGE
Al Gore is being seen today as the man he has always been. Lieberman is being seen today as the man none of us knew. He is the true Pygmalion. Lieberman should just cross over and join the Republican party.

Gore obviously cannot support today the man he chose as his running mate for the 2000 election because that man has changed his stripes. In other words, in Washington-speak, THINGS CHANGE.

And hurray for Al Gore for refusing to endorse Lieberman's 2004 Presidential run and for refusing recently to endorse him for his Senate re-election. Gore did call him a friend, but being the perceptive man he is, Gore can differentiate between a personal friend and a Democratic brother.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:52 AM
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53. Marshall Witmann just keeps churning out the anti-Democratic Party progand
propaganda nonstop
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:08 AM
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54. Uhhhh.....ok.
That's kinda stupid.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:15 AM
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55. So apparently Al Gore only has a problem interfering with local primaries
Presidential primaries are a different story...
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 04:31 AM
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56. What's a BullMoose and why should we care what he/she/it thinks?
eom
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 04:48 AM
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57. Can I vomit now?
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:07 PM
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58. Can I join you?
:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:40 PM
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59. Sure you can.... but next time you bring a hundred friends, ask me first.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:34 PM
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60. Sorry. Didn't mean to get any on 'ya. :)
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:35 PM
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61. Lieberman deserves
to be squashed like the stink but that he is.

And BullGoose (whatever that means) deserves to be cyber-lynched.
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