Hillary's Shameful Straddling on Iraq

and start listening to her gut.

If her gut tells her to straddle the fence, then she has already been compromised, and we need to look to other options. Like Gore, or Feingold, or (maybe) Clark.

No way. Not with her. She has been in public life for a while. She can hire or fire any consultant or handler in the nation that she wants. She has plenty of money for it. She also has a long record of acting this way, like an indecisive moderate who takes the safe path. Its not a matter of handlers. Its her basic nature as a person and the approach to politics that she prefers to take.

is a dance Democrats should sit out.

not the Kerry/Feingold amendment. And look who are the latest cosponsors of the Levin amendment--none other than Joe Biden and Barack Obama. Where's Evan Bayh?


S.AMDT.4320

Amends: S.2766
Sponsor: Sen Levin, Carl (submitted 6/19/2006)

COSPONSORS(6), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)

Sen Biden, Joseph R., Jr. - 6/20/2006
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham - 6/19/2006
Sen Feinstein, Dianne - 6/19/2006
Sen Obama, Barack - 6/20/2006
Sen Reed, Jack - 6/19/2006
Sen Salazar, Ken - 6/19/2006

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d109:120:./temp/~bdGyeM:@@@P|/bss/d109query.html|

“I do not think it is a smart strategy for the president to continue with his open-ended commitment” said Clinton, “Nor do I think it is smart strategy to set a date certain.”

She's against staying and leaving.

:eyes:

How can such a smart woman say such...dumb things.

" This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

Gotta feed that war machine

that is such absolute horseshit -

it's one thing to disagree with Clinton, it's another to personally slander her.

She supported the war, still supports it....no time table for withdrawl and she supports the Bush doctrine.

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And are launching into a personal attack.

Anyone who goes over my journal knows exactly where i stand.... i want to rid this party of the corporatists who are destroying it.... and the Clintons are target #1.

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She is no different from the DLC's Marshall Wittman ("Bull Moose"), who worked for Mcain's 2000 Presidential Campaign.

she's no marshall wittman. Wittman is way to the right of her.

She has one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. 95% ACT.

Disagree with her position on Iraq - though it's hard to tell what that even is -
She gets misrepresented and villified on DU every day to the point where it's hard to tell what's real and what's not.

..the nominee. Period.

From her cadence in her voice to her fence-sitting opinion just meant to act like she was practicing for a primary speech, she offered utterly nothing to the solution.

:shrug:

Voice is certainly part of the package when you're running for a political position. It's like thinking that a guitarist is really good except that he plays on an untuned guitar...

Kerry knows war. Kerry has tasted war. Kerry knows what it is "to stay the course" simply because the politicians don't have the guts to admit that their war policies are a dismay failure. Kerry also knows that being tough on national defense also means to reverse course and salvage what's left of the military.

Hillary knows none of these things. She lived a pampered life and she has never experienced the suffering that our troops have had to endure in wasteful conflicts from Vietnam to Iraq. Hillary's failure to call for an end to this war means that American troops and Iraqi civilians will continue to die for at least until January 20, 2009. This is unacceptable!

(which I am not), but did it ever occur to any of you that she is trying to tap dance to win the presidency? Not that that makes her obtuse stance on Iraq any more palatable. I don't think she is a neocon. I don't think she epitomizes the DLC but you bet she'll sure take their money.

I just think she is second-guessing the barrage of shit that will come down on her if she runs for president, and is trying to out-smart the GOP, trying to prevent a bumper sticker attack against her in as many areas as she can.

Like I said, it doesn't make it any better, just different.

Food for thought at least.

so I wonder why SHE is the one getting the focus. I don't agree with her, just wondering why Warner or Biden supporters would single out Hillary's problem on this as if she were the ONLY one who deserves the scrutiny.

:wow:

Did I miss something? Do you now not support her, at least as fervently as you once did?

(If you don't - good call!)