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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:38 PM
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DLC advocates for two new think tanks...started by DLC alumni.
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 06:02 PM by madfloridian
I recognize a lot of the names there. One I see is Jerome, which bothers me a bit. But that's just me. One of them was the editor of DLC's The Blueprint. Many of the articles seem to present the idea that liberals are not hawkish enough. I am not going to register to view the whole articles.

I am all for a party that embraces diversity, but the DLC has not embraced diversity. If we are not for the Iraq war and spreading freedom, they have no use for us. I worry about the blogosphere becoming so much a part of this.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=131&subid=192&contentid=253915

"There's plenty of talk going on in progressive circles these days about political strategy and policy ideas, but not really enough genuine, focused debate. A lot of the talk is overheated and factionalized, and all too often the conversation is inhibited by the peculiar fear that legitimate disagreements on vital issues will somehow contribute to conservative or Republican "talking points."

The Democratic Strategist is a new online publication whose mission is to "bring together the latest solid research on public attitudes and social trends with extended, ongoing discussion of long-range Democratic political strategy." Its co-editors are political scientist and former Clinton White House advisor Bill Galston; pollster Stan Greenberg; and political demographer (and DLC alumnus) Ruy Teixeira. They pledge to "maintain a firmly neutral meeting ground for both centrists and populists, readers of The Nation and The New Republic, professional political consultants, grassroots activists and supporters of every significant candidate and perspective within the Democratic Party."

The first issue of The Democratic Strategist is true to the publication's mission, offering essays on the long-range future of the Democratic Party from PPI president Will Marshall, Ken Baer and Andrei Cherny, Elaine Kamarck, Donna Brazile, Jerome Armstrong, Harold Meyerson, Bob Borosage(of Campaign for America's Future), and John Wilhelm. The journal's site also offers a daily blog, and will soon sponsor online conferences.

As it happens, Democratic Strategist contributors Cherny (a former editor of Blueprint Magazine) and Baer are co-editors of the other new progressive publication on the block, Democracy: A Journal of Ideas. This quarterly is boldly, almost defiantly, dedicated to serious policy discussions among progressives, as the co-editors explain in the first issue."


I like to know where groups stand, who is funding them, and are they mostly New Dem and DLC in nature. Some of us started being concerned about the TBA conference. We realized Dean was not among the speakers, after being a prominent speaker for 3 years. Bill Moyers was not present either, though he was usually a speaker. But we still did not think much about it, just figured that the presidential candidates were getting most of the space, which would be understandable.

However when we heard that a TBA organizer said that the reason Dean was not there was partly scheduling, partly "philosophical"...we got a strange feeling.

I like to know where people stand, I like to know where groups stand.



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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:41 PM
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1. Let the Psy-Ops Begin!
*insert my normal anti-DLC rant here, please*

TC
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:42 PM
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2. Ignore the DLC, maybe they will go away.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:45 PM
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4. I want to make sure
that if they are spreading out, that we know who they are.

Have you read The New Republic the last week or two? They have really switched rightward.

I like to know where people stand.

I have nothing against the DLC, per se. I do have problems with their exclusivity and their stance on Iraq and spreading Democracy.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:55 PM
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9. self-delete
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 06:39 PM by AtomicKitten

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:52 PM
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14. HA! Sadly, they're like mold. Can't just hope it'll go away.
Plus, we shouldn't ignore that they receive funding from far rightists like Olin and Scaife.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:03 PM
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15. I was being facetious.
Oh, wait, I'm doing it again. :)



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:08 PM
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17. Why did you delete your other post?
It was fine, not divisive. I was wondering.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:16 PM
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18. My truthiness sometimes reveals too much about me.
But I'm glad you saw it because it is how I feel.

I appreciate your informational posts. Infinitely more persuasive than some of the rants here at DU.
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yngliberal Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:42 PM
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3. Jerome Armstrong? From MyDD? (n/t)
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Master Mahon Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:46 PM
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5. Oh Boy, More 'Stink' tanks
when will these morons ever learn to think for themselves?????
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:04 PM
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11. Lipstick on more pigs
Regardless of how you dress them up, bad policy is still bad policy.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:53 PM
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6. Which one is playing checkers and which is playing chess?
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 06:02 PM by Pithy Cherub
:P
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:55 PM
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8. Yep, chess and checkers.
Me, I play both. But I play chess poorly because I am not that good a strategist.

I am more for clarity and honesty.

:hi:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:55 PM
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7. The Democratic party is being overrun with leaders who stand for nothing
other than chronic conformity and playing it safe.

We have become a one party system.

I don't think even Governor Dean can salvage this party.

It's becoming too diluted with cowards and individuals more consumed with their own ascension than doing what is right.

I think Dean saw this years ago and its coming true today. I could be wrong, but the issues we need to be dealing with: election fraud, the assaults which have been inflicted on this country by our own Administration, a genocide taking place in Iraq and Democrats are still playing it safe and talking about "redeploying"(?), and other run of the mill realities in general are being avoided like the Bubonic plague by most Democratic leaders. I realize some are trying very hard.

I have come to believe that our two political parties are used as tools by the wealthiest in this country in order to divide citizens into teams instead of empowering us all to work together.

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:00 PM
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10. The DLC just trying to dominate the discussion
flood the airwaves with their "moderate" viewpoints trying to downplay any Progressive talk at all. The corporate media pays attention to the DLC sites and uses it as the official Democratic position. That is why the public thinks there is no difference between Dems and the GOP.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:05 PM
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12. Exactly.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:19 PM
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13. I'll third that sentiment.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:05 AM
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29. They ARE dominating the discussion
Because the left can't stop whining about them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:07 PM
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16. My problem is not with people who hold more moderate views.
My problem is not knowing where people stand on things. I see nothing wrong with bloggers working with various think tanks. I do see something wrong when those think tanks are advocating the policies that got us into Iraq, and are keeping us from leaving.

I have problems when I see groups like Take Back America that say Dean was not asked to speak partly because of "philosophical" differences. That's a good one, think about it a long time. He was asked to speak for 3 years in a row, but now the word "philosophical" is used. How odd.

I just saw the speakers for the NDN (New Democrat Network) convention in Las Vegas right now. They are DLC nearly all of them.

http://www.ndn.org/annualmeeting/

They have the money to start up think tanks, while we the peons of the party work to build our small donor base. I am a moderate, yet I find their drive to stay in Iraq, to spread Democracy, and to privatize Social Security, and a few other things....not in line with being what I think a Democrat should be.

I see changes in the internet groups, and I think the movement is hard right.
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:32 PM
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19. DLC obsession has blocked out focus on real issues
DU seems to spend so much time and effort obsessing about the DLC and how it can be dismantled, that I think we tend to forget the real issues that are affecting our lives and millions of others' lives right now: like poverty, human and animal cruelty, pollution, and GLOBAL WARMING (to name a few). Rather than continuously complaining about a small fraction of our party that you disagree with, we could focus all that energy on making our world better instead of relying only on our politicians to do it for us.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:39 PM
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20. No, not complaining, Trying to understand where they are taking us.
Nowhere did I call for dismantling any group. I challenge you to find that.

I very much resent wolves in sheep's clothing. I highly suspect many of the Demcratic groups which advocate for the war and staying in Iraq, are just that. They are perhaps not what they are pretending to be.

The Republicans followed sheeplike behind their leaders, and look what happened to their party.

I will question.
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:45 PM
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21. I wasn't accusing you
It just happened that you're the one who made this topic. I was addressing DU in general. Sorry for the confusion.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:50 PM
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23. That's ok, but things seem to be escalating.
They are back to using the argument that liberals don't care about protecting the country. Now that to me is a Republican argument, not one that should be coming from Democrats.

I don't like the posts that say the DLC has to go...that type of thing.

But I do think we must question and not wait to do it.

Too many groups are forming that are really about nothing more than national security.
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 12:03 AM
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26. I completely agree
My concern was just that we focus TOO much time and effort on anti-DLC threads (I'm not suggesting we abandon them though). It seems like every time I log onto DU there's at least a few more DLC threads, but much less about the issues that I mentioned and others that are of national concern.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:49 PM
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22. forever war seems to be the issue they are most passionate about..
And they have convinced themselves that the American people want this.

I wonder who they are talking to? :banghead:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:51 PM
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24. Exactly.
Forever war.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:54 PM
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25. I agree those issues are very important...
which is why we like to keep an eye on the DLC, because those issues tend NOT to be important to the DLC. For folks like myself, the more DLC in office = the less those issues will be addressed. When you have a cancer on your party -- and I do believe that people like Al From and Marshall Whitman are a cancer -- you're not only fighting the other party but the cancer as well.

Makes for tough times.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 12:08 AM
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27. TWO groups? So now we can lose twice as many elections- great. n/t
n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:58 AM
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28. as opposed to the elections "progressives" have won?
Edited on Fri Jun-23-06 07:58 AM by wyldwolf
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 09:26 PM
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32. In which recent election did DEMS listen to them or follow their advice?
Edited on Fri Jun-23-06 09:31 PM by Dr Fate
????

If the "strategists" who lost the last 3 elections had actually LISTENED to moderates & progressives then you would have a point.

And I'm not even talking about progressives so to speak- just moderates like myself who wanted a good fight- we couldnt even get that out of them.

And WTF is progressive in quotes for- many in the DLC lean to the far right in their agreement with the Dubya & the God, Gays & Guns crowd- why the quotes?
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:36 AM
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30. A new-new version of STFU
"There's plenty of talk going on in progressive circles these days about political strategy and policy ideas, but not really enough genuine, focused debate. A lot of the talk is overheated and factionalized, and all too often the conversation is inhibited by the peculiar fear that legitimate disagreements on vital issues will somehow contribute to conservative or Republican "talking points."


Overheated=rocking their boat.

The groups stand for "talk left" vote "right." That's where they stand. If you like privatization, if you like the new NAFTA corridor that bipasses union ports, you're gonna love these groups.

They will find a few good Democrats to join them, after all they have ALL the power. As for the DLC, they remain dedicated, not to a more perfect union, but to me-me money.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 01:44 PM
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31. Talk left, vote right...good description.
I wish I had started picking up on this years ago before Florida Democrats got so far right you can't tell them from Republicans.
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