Florida has a 3rd choice in '06 senate race (Independent)

Brian Moore http://www.votebrianmoore.com/
I'm not endorsing this guy as of yet and you won't hear much about him in the media but when Bill Nelson gets more support from Jeb Bush and the republican party than their own Katherine Harris, something is smelling bad to me. In a recent quote by Jeb, "Bill always does the right thing regardless of politics" which to me means, "he's really one of us".
I never heard of this guy until last week and I haven't had a chance to thoroughly research him so I won't blindly give him my support until I know more and advise the same.

Please post anything you might know about him and give us your thoughts.

I realize you don't like Nelson, but you're making a comparison to someone NOBODY IN EITHER PARTY likes at all!

They're prettier than Katherine Harris too.



I hope we haven't offended any alligators with the comparison :hi:

Hurricane Katherina is toast and her little porn star "go the distance" schtick on Hannity was just sad.

:) I like him...

Nelson may not be great, but I see no reason to split the vote for a guy who has 0% chance of winning. Maybe someone wants to "send a message" to Nelson by voting for Moore, just like Nader 2000 voters "sent a message" to Gore.

What was that message again? 6 years of Bush has made me forget.

The Senate is already lost to the Republicans and Republican light.

51 R + 6 R (L) = Republican Majority, and Nelson happens to be one of the 6

I am not sure if I am understanding you correctly. You are comfortable with a dedicated Bushbot Republican (Harris) instead of an ok democrat (Nelson) for FL senate? You would rather inable Harris, who would vote with democrats 0% of the time, than inable Nelson, a senate majority and everything that comes with it? I don't see how this helps anyone? :shrug:

Why didn't Florida put forth a candidate to run against Nelson in the primaries like COnnecticut did?

And we all need to think globally with this election. If we can get a majority, and that means we not only pick up 6 seats but keep every democrat seat that we have, then there is much to gain including:

Control of the legislation on the Senate Floor
Control of what is debated in Committee
Control of keeping Activist Judges from leaving the Judiciary Committee (something that happened constantly when we had the majority for a short period between 2001-2)


Right now - if every democrat in the senate, including Lieberman & Nelson, wanted to end this war and bring our troops home - it would not pass. THat's because we don't have a majority. Even with losing a few democrats we can at least get this issue voted on and debated - brought to the forefront with committee hearings. This won't (and isn't) happening with a democratic minority

:shrug:

"ME" is thinking that if Lieberman were to actually win to support someone outside of the party for general election.

I went to a booksigning for "Crashing the Gate" written by the owners of DailyKos & MyDD. The whole concept of the book talks about taking over the democratic party which is exactly the kind of stuff happening in Connecticut. But both of them agreed that choices will be made that might require some 'holding of one's nose' come the general election because we need to think both short-term (gaining the majority) and long term (cleaning up the party and getting real democrats on the ticket).

I am proud of what has happened in Connecticut and I know many Lamont supporters who will 'hold their nose while voting' should Lieberman still manage to pull through in the primary elections.

It is too critical and too much at stake to risk anything in the GENERAL elections. Perhaps a democratic majority might not bring an end to the war, but it will start taking our party in the correct LEFT direction. And hopefully the Lamont-Lieberman primary, no matter what the outcome is, will bring more primaries in states where we question who our representative is that is in our own party.

But I do NOT support 3rd party candidates and at one time even I considered a 3rd party candidate here in Delaware thinking that Green Party Michael Berg (yes that Michael Berg in the news) would be a good choice against incumbant Mike Castle. But our Dennis Spivik has been showing life in this race, something rarely seem by a democratic opponent against republican Mike Castle. But I realize that I'm a democrat and I need to support my party even if somoene like MIchael Berg comes along.

What I think is a disgrace is that Lieberman is willing to run as an Independent if he lose to Lemond.

and in a state like Florida I wouldn't take any chance on a 3rd party when we know what Katherine Harris has done with the voting system in Florida. She needs to catch up to about 10% to be able to steal a win for herself.

I was going to leave my Senate vote blank anyways cause I do not agree with Nelson. I will not vote for a Republican Light. Sorry, but it is my moral obligation to vote for progressives and Nelson is not.

continue to destroy America. One thing is for sure, it is either going to be Harris or Nelson taking that senate seat, and I couldn't live with myself if I sat by and didn't do everything I could stop republican domination of our government. Anyone who, like Nader 2000 voters, is foolish enough to think that there is "no difference" between the republican candidate and the democratic candidate must not know much about Harris. She would rival Rick Santorum. Take a look at the recent minimum wage vote, not one democrat voted against it, but it was defeated by the republican majority. If we had Senator Harris instead of Senator Nelson, it would be one more vote against it.

Voting for Nelson is not just a vote for him, but a vote for a democratic majority, a democratic senate majority leader, more dems on committees, more dems to head committees, and another democrat who can campaign for our 08 candidate in a state that needs the help.

If I passed up the opportunity to try to get all of those things to better the situation for our democrats, which would ultimately better the situation for our country, I couldn't live with myself.

Santorum is gone in 2006 :D

But other than that - great reply. We have to think outside of "ME" and consider the greater good. If Katherine Harris can get close to Nelson in the polls then the steal will be in. Look how well Max Cleland was doing going into his Nov 2002 election and yet the republicans managed to steal that one.

Lost-in-Fl, sorry about your hesitation on voting for Nelson. In some ways I can't blame you. But in this very close election when the majority is hanging in balance, I would not consider doing any vote that could possibly help give Republicans the majority and if you put trust into the FLorida balloting system that Nelson's lead is enough to beat Harris, then you must have been asleep for the last 10 years.

I have a moderate DLC democrat up for election here in Delaware with Tom Carper and not only will I vote for him, I'll have a smile on my face as I do it. Because my voting for Tom Carper says that I would prefer having the democrats in control than the republicans. Because even on the most flawed days of any given democrat, they are still 110% better then the best day of any republican.

For a pro-republican position by members of the Democratic party. At this time, the Democrats in Congress are not sticking to the issues as a party even if their bills won't get a majority. To me, the likes of Nelson and Lieberman are in Congress for the commodities that comes with the job not for the will of the people or their party.

Nelson will win the Senate in FL, but not with my vote. I understand your position, a position I used to have until recently. There's NO EXCUSE why Democrats don't stick together in Congress. I am very disapointed that Democrats actually voted against a timetable for Iraq. That is an embarrasement for the party. If the Democrats are to win the elections it is not because of the Democrats but because of the very pissed off Republicans.

When the primary is over, and I can see the field of candidates who have a realistic chance of winning the seat, I will always support the best candidate for America. I couldn't live with myself if I did nothing and let the crappier candidate win. In Florida, it is either going to be Harris or Nelson in that seat, and it is very clear who the best candidate is.

Helping Republicans flush America down the toilet.

Why is he not running against Nelson in a primary?

end his little "I want to be a Senator fantasy" in September rather than two months later in November.

I read of it in a thread from the Florida Forum from back in May. I'm just doing my homework.

Thanks

I like what the guy says. But the I like most of what Nader or the Green Party say as well.

But I cannot put aside my concern about throwing the seat to the most reactionary major political party in American history...

then you've been asleep for the last 10 years.

She doesn't need to be ahead of him in the polls - just close enough. One only needs to look at the GA2002 senate race with Max Cleland and Saxby Chamblis to know that the republican just needs to get within striking distance and for Ms Harris, I'm thinking anywhere from 10-12% and she could pull it off.

I have Michael Berg, father of the kid beheaded in Iraq and major anti-war spokesperson, running for house here in Delaware but on the Green ticket. I really want to vote for him but there has been some signs that the democrat might actually catch Castle. As much as I want to support Michael Berg, I have to vote for Spivak here for US House. More than likely though we'll end up with Castle again which isn't as bad as what some people have for republican representation (he's moderate enough that he is pro-environment, pro-choice and sponsered the House bill for funding for Stem Cell research - but I'd still rather have a democrat representing me)

...about this guy. They want a close horse race. It's good for ratings and any need for re-counts, voter fraud, etc. would be even better for ratings and making people tune in every night to watch "Another Stolen Election In Florida". They've probably got scripts and "expert guests" already lined up.

I have listed the points of voting for Nelson above, even if you think he is a weak dem. So I guess the point of voting for Moore would be "sending a message" to Nelson, like Nader 2000 voters sent a message to Gore. When 2004 rolled around, did anyone remember that message? No, 85% of Nader voters bailed out on him.
So perhaps the other reason to vote for Moore is if you don't want to enable a democrat like Nelson, but are comfortable enabling a Harris win. If you don't want to enable a democrat like Nelson, but are comfortable with a republican majority in the senate. For me, enabling republican dominance of America would weigh to much on my conscience. Others here may be different.

should be checked for a pulse.

I will not do anything to enable a republican majority even if that means not voting for Michael Berg here in Delaware (he's running for US house on the green party).

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Not that I think he stands a snowball's chance in hell, but just on the outside chance he splits the Dem vote enough to throw the election to Harris, please no whining and belly aching when the GOP wins.

Do you even read someone's post before copying and pasting rules? I didn't think many people have heard about this as I myself just found out about him in the last week. Strictly posted for information and discussion purposes only.

My quotes:
"I won't blindly give him my support until I know more and advise the same"
"I'm not endorsing this guy as of yet"

Duh....you call that support?

you're putting out there an option for another candidate outside the party.

Spin it all you want but it won't make the guy go away if voters in Florida blindly go after a third party candidate. I'm not the type that votes because of what a TV commercial says.

What if he's saying that there's someone running against Harris from her own Party? Do you call that supporting the GOP?

We are as scarred to talk here than the Democrats are in the Senate.

Florida has a 3rd choice in '06 senate race (Independent)

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And hey, if you want Katherine Harris as your senator - well all be it. If you haven't figured it out yet, she only needs to pull within 10-12% of Nelson and she can steal the election from there. You do remember what happened back in 2000 and who was in charge with purging the voter registration lists (you think that was fixed since 2000?) and bringing in Diebold.

I know how to read. I know of your concern but do not insult me.

I know what DU stands for.

I do not think the person who started the thread was supporting the 3rd party candidate but saying that there is a one. There are lots of Green Party supporters here and they are not banned.

If you check the Florida Forum, they talk about this candidate. The thread was never closed.

Bill Nelson does a good job representing the people Florida. He's big on the environment and I think the voters in Florida prefer a slightly conservative Democrat. It's pretty simple, for a Democrat to get elected in a statewide or national election in the South they have to have some "conservative" leanings or else they wouldn't stand a chance.

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