Discuss Slogan: A Vote for a Democrat is a Vote for Impeachment

Assumption: Both Bush & Cheney to be Impeached, & a Democratic Take-Over of the House / Senate

Pros / Cons -- True or False?

Would this INCREASE or DECREASE your willingness to donate time and/or money to Democratic Candidates?

ON EDIT: "Can we afford two more years?"

If you're undecided, chances are your information sources are probably contradicting each other because you've got some contaminated sources...like FOX News.

Pelosi said she wouldn't begin proceedings if they take back the House. Maybe it's a ploy, but I have read that the reason is the dems don't want to re-visit the negative images of the Clinton impeachment. Let's win back the House first, and then think about impeachment!

and then consider how much work we have to do to start moving this country back in the right track

People remember what a mess it was with the Clinton impeachment and even impeaching him will probably not give us enough senate votes to actually kick the guy out.

I'd rather fight for the democratic majority so we can rope this guy in for his last 2 years and get change in 2008.

The Americans who voted for shrub in 2000/2004 and are now swinging to the dems are switching because of what they see as incompetency in handling the Iraq war, not because they're concerned with how we got there. Downing street and all of the new evidence is given lip service by the press, so the importance of it all is severely downplayed.

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I don't think so.

It would take and incredible level of unity, not to mention the requisite BALLS to back it up. This Party isn't ready for either of those two things yet. All we need is some DINO badmouthing it on CNN every day, or a bunch of gutless wonders afraid for their re-elections backing off, and we will look ridiculous.

TC

I don't vote for Democrats because they're not Republicans, or because they're against Bush. I vote for Democrats because they're for the idea that the American project is about helping as many people live decent, dignified lives as possible and that we do this by privileging work over wealth and by protecting democracy and pursuing social justice.

Isn't IMPEACHING these criminals "helping as many people live decent, dignified lives as possible...by protecting democracy and persuing justice?"

NGU.

Define yourself as being for justice, get people to support you that way, and then later frame impeachment as part of that pursuit of justice and then you're doing it right.

But to run on the idea that you'll pursue impeachment no matter what (which is what you're doing if you make that your campaign promise) then people think it's not about justice. They think it's a vendetta.

It's just the wrong way to define yourself.

It's dumb as hell.

That really defines your arguement as a "postive" one.

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NGU.

I say that a slogan should be positive -- you should define yourself about what you're for, not what your against.

Now, in the realm of commenting on proposed slogans, I think it's OK to say an idea is a bad idea. Different rules apply.

Both House and Senate members have run from the impeachment word. This is a complete non-starter. We the people may want it, but we couldn't get these "representatives" to go along with it. The whole point of impeaching Clinton was to leave a foul taste in the mouths of Americans for the 'impeachment' word.

I don't think we should campaign on a promise to impeach Junior. Most people are opposed to that, and I believe it's because it seems like an assumption of guilt without knowing all the facts. I do believe, however, that it would be wise to promise Congressional investigations to let the people know what Junior has been keeping secret from them. This is especially true in the case of the administration's use of intelligence in promoting the invasion of Iraq.

After we learn the truth, a majority of Americans just might demand impeachment. I have a strong belief that Senator Pat Roberts and the Bush junta have very good reasons to have stonewalled all efforts to expose what happened.

I think anyone who isn't willing to prosecute the merry band of criminals currently in office is going to be responsible for the fact that the next guys think they should be able to get away with it, too.

Investigations ... and then impeachment.