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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:06 AM
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Happy Versailles
Today we "celebrate" the signing of the Versailles Treaty which ended WWI. At the same time we can easily bemoan the signing of a treaty that perpetuated a negative status quo that started with Metternich and ended with the Cold War and the "war on terra".

Way back when - the world heaved a sigh of relief after years of the bloodiest conflict the world had yet seen. Said conflict was the lowest point of democracy - such a war was only possible because of the manipulation of the electorate through jingoism and manipulation.

Most people chose to look to the good side as represented by our very own Woodrow Wilson and his "14 Points", with the key issue of "self determination". Yet poor old Woodrow ultimately failed in almost every respect; the conservative victors of WWI were able to impose abusive conditions on the defeated on the basis and justification of rabid nationalism and self-interest. At home, Woodrow was screwed by the GOP - who dismissed the League of Nations and made WWII a virtual no-brainer.

What's surprising is that between the wars, American conservatives supported the likes of Musso and Adolf. Go figure.

So another anniversary has come around and it is in our hands to do with it what we will. No doubt most will forget and ignore... as our troops fight and die over the ruins of Woodrow's "14 Points" as we take the diametric opposing stance nearly a century after the fact.

"What is past is prologue"
Cicero

For a time Woodrow's dour visage "graced" the homes of people around the world, much like JFK's did in my rememberance even in shops in Cairo and Tunis in the early 1970's. Now one is more likely to find OBL. And yet some wonder what went wrong.

Well, folks, WE did. We took an incredibly positive image, associated with the best of sentiments and ideals - and turned them into hatred. No wonder we spend so much on defense.

So happy Versailles Day, people. Pause, remember, consider... and vote.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:38 AM
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1. Thanks for very intelligent, thoughtful post. .
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 09:40 AM by Divernan
No surprise that your profile shows you're based in Europe, where people see the big picture, both geographically and historically. Unfortunately, DU is a little light on intellectual discussion nowadays, and threads like this sink like a stone. But let's give it a try. It is a fine speech which points out the dangers and folly of the Bush foreign policy. The difference between Bush and the combatants in WW I is that Bush doesn't have territorial ambitions; he has ambitions to rob countries of their natural resources, particularly oil. Here's some further background, plus the very fine Fourteen Points speech from the prescient Mr. Wilson:


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FOURTEEN POINTS SPEECH (1918)
Woodrow Wilson
The United States was a reluctant belligerent in the Great War, and the Wilson administration did its best to remain neutral. Finally, however, in response to entreaties from the Allies and a renewed German U-boat campaign, the United States declared war on the Central Powers in April 1917.

The European combatants had been preparing for war for several years, and a complex web of secret agreements tied various nations together; both the Allies and the Central Powers had aspirations of seizing control of their enemies' empires. The United States, however, had not been a party to any of those agreements, and President Woodrow Wilson desperately sought a basis for ending the war that would allow both sides to participate fully in building a lasting peace. Both be- fore and after American entry into the conflict, Wilson called on the belligerents to state their war aims. But since many of these aims involved territorial ambitions, both sides refused.

Finally Wilson lost patience, and on January 8, 1918, went before Congress to enunciate what he considered the basic premises of a just and lasting peace. The Fourteen Points, as the program came to be called, consisted of certain basic principles, such as freedom of the seas and open covenants, a variety of geographic arrangements carrying out the principle of self-determination, and above all, a League of Nations that would enforce the peace.

The Fourteen Points are important for several reasons. First of all, they translated many of the principles of American domestic reform, known as Progressivism, into foreign policy. Notions of free trade, open agreements, democracy and self-determination were mere variants of domestic programs that reformers had been supporting for two decades. Second, the Fourteen Points constituted the only statement by any of the belligerents of their war aims. They thus became the basis for German surrender, and the only criteria by which to judge the peace treaty.

Most important, where many countries believed that only self-interest should guide foreign policy, in the Fourteen Points Wilson argued that morality and ethics had to be the basis for the foreign policy of a democratic society. While subsequent American governments have not always shared that belief, many American presidents have agreed with the Wilsonian belief in morality as a key ingredient in foreign as well as domestic policy.

For further reading: Arthur S. Link, Wilson the Diplomatist (1957); Arthur Walworth, Woodrow Wilson and His Peacemakers (1983).


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FOURTEEN POINTS SPEECH
Gentlemen of the Congress ...

It will be our wish and purpose that the processes of peace, when they are begun, shall be absolutely open and that they shall involve and permit henceforth no secret understandings of any kind. The day of conquest and aggrandizement is gone by; so is also the day of secret covenants entered into in the interest of particular governments and likely at some unlooked-for moment to upset the peace of the world. It is this happy fact, now clear to the view of every public man whose thoughts do not still linger in an age that is dead and gone, which makes it possible for every nation whose purposes are consistent with justice and the peace of the world to avow now or at any other time the objects it has in view.

We entered this war because violations of right had occurred which touched us to the quick and made the life of our own people impossible unless they were corrected and the world secured once for all against their recurrence. What we demand in this war, therefore, is nothing peculiar to ourselves. It is that the world be made fit and safe to live in; and particularly that it be made safe for every peace-loving nation which, like our own, wishes to live its own life, determine its own institutions, be assured of justice and fair dealing by the other peoples of the world as against force and selfish aggression. All the peoples of the world are in effect partners in this interest, and for our own part we see very clearly that unless justice be done to others it will not be done to us. The program of the world's peace, therefore, is our program; and that program, the only possible program, as we see it, is this:

I. Open covenants of peace, openly arrived at, after which there shall be no private international understandings of any kind but diplomacy shall proceed always frankly and in the public view.

II. Absolute freedom of navigation upon the seas, outside territorial waters, alike in peace and in war, except as the seas may be closed in whole or in part by international action for the enforcement of international covenants.

III. The removal, so far as possible, of all economic barriers and the establishment of an equality of trade conditions among all the nations consenting to the peace and associating themselves for its maintenance.

IV. Adequate guarantees given and taken that national armaments will be reduced to the lowest point consistent with domestic safety.

V. A free, open-minded, and absolutely impartial adjustment of all colonial claims, based upon a strict observance of the principle that in determining all such questions of sovereignty the interests of the populations concerned must have equal weight with the equitable claims of the government whose title is to be determined.

VI. The evacuation of all Russian territory and such a settlement of all questions affecting Russia as will secure the best and freest cooperation of the other nations of the world in obtaining for her an unhampered and unembarrassed opportunity for the independent determination of her own political development and national policy and assure her of a sincere welcome into the society of free nations under institutions of her own choosing; and, more than a welcome, assistance also of every kind that she may need and may herself desire. The treatment accorded Russia by her sister nations in the months to come will be the acid test of their good will, of their comprehension of her needs as distinguished from their own interests, and of their intelligent and unselfish sympathy.

VII. Belgium, the whole world will agree, must be evacuated and restored, without any attempt to limit the sovereignty which she enjoys in common with all other free nations. No other single act will serve as this will serve to restore confidence among the nations in the laws which they have themselves set and determined for the government of their relations with one another. Without this healing act the whole structure and validity of international law is forever impaired.

VIII. All French territory should be freed and the invaded portions restored, and the wrong done to France by Prussia in 1871 in the matter of Alsace-Lorraine, which has unsettled the peace of the world for nearly fifty years, should be righted, in order that peace may once more be made secure in the interest of all.

IX. A readjustment of the frontiers of Italy should be effected along clearly recognizable lines of nationality.

X. The peoples of Austria-Hungary, whose place among the nations we wish to see safeguarded and assured, should be accorded the freest opportunity of autonomous development.

XI. Rumania, Serbia, and Montenegro should be evacuated; occupied territories restored; Serbia accorded free and secure access to the sea; and the relations of the several Balkan states to one another determined by friendly counsel along historically established lines of allegiance and nationality; and international guarantees of the political and economic independence and territorial integrity of the several Balkan states should be entered into.

XII. The Turkish portions of the present Ottoman Empire should be assured a secure sovereignty, but the other nationalities which are now under Turkish rule should be assured an undoubted security of life and an absolutely unmolested opportunity of an autonomous development, and the Dardanelles should be permanently opened as a free passage to the ships and commerce of all nations under international guarantees.

XIII. An independent Polish state should be erected which should include the territories inhabited by indisputably Polish populations, which should be assured a free and secure access to the sea, and whose political and economic independence and territorial integrity should be guaranteed by international covenant.

XIV. A general association of nations must be formed under specific covenants for the purpose of affording mutual guarantees of political independence and territorial integrity to great and small states alike.

In regard to these essential rectifications of wrong and assertions of right we feel ourselves to be intimate partners of all the governments and peoples associated together against the Imperialists. We cannot be separated in interest or divided in purpose. We stand together until the end.

For such arrangements and covenants we are willing to fight and to continue to fight until they are achieved; but only because we wish the right to prevail and desire a just and stable peace such as can be secured only by removing the chief provocations to war, which this program does not remove. We have no jealousy of German greatness, and there is nothing in this program that impairs it. We grudge her no achievement or distinction of learning or of pacific enterprise such as have made her record very bright and very enviable. We do not wish to injure her or to block in any way her legitimate influence or power. We do not wish to fight her either with arms or with hostile arrangements of trade if she is willing to associate herself with us and the other peace-loving nations of the world in covenants of justice and law and fair dealing. We wish her only to accept a place of equality among the peoples of the world, -- the new world in which we now live, -- instead of a place of mastery.

Neither do we presume to suggest to her any alteration or modification of her institutions. But it is necessary, we must frankly say, and necessary as a preliminary to any intelligent dealings with her on our part, that we should know whom her spokesmen speak for when they speak to us, whether for the Reichstag majority or for the military party and the men whose creed is imperial domination.

We have spoken now, surely, in terms too concrete to admit of any further doubt or question. An evident principle runs through the whole program I have outlined. It is the principle of justice to all peoples and nationalities, and their right to live on equal terms of liberty and safety with one another, whether they be strong or weak. Unless this principle be made its foundation no part of the structure of international justice can stand. The people of the United States could act upon no other principle; and to the vindication of this principle they are ready to devote their lives, their honor, and everything that they possess. The moral climax of this the culminating and final war for human liberty has come, and they are ready to put their own strength, their own highest purpose, their own integrity and devotion to the test.

Source: Arthur S. Link et al., eds., The Papers of Woodrow Wilson, vol. 45 (1984), 536.



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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:41 AM
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2. Thanx a mil!
Nice to be 'preciated!
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:52 AM
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3. That last paragraph is SO powerful and moving.
The principle of justice to all. . . .whether they be strong or weak. . .

"We have spoken now, surely, in terms too concrete to admit of any further doubt or question. An evident principle runs through the whole program I have outlined. It is the principle of justice to all peoples and nationalities, and their right to live on equal terms of liberty and safety with one another, whether they be strong or weak. Unless this principle be made its foundation no part of the structure of international justice can stand. The people of the United States could act upon no other principle; and to the vindication of this principle they are ready to devote their lives, their honor, and everything that they possess. The moral climax of this the culminating and final war for human liberty has come, and they are ready to put their own strength, their own highest purpose, their own integrity and devotion to the test."

This paragraph is the political philosophy of the America which I believed in, and which I hope will someday come into being.

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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:30 AM
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4. Fat chance
"This paragraph is the political philosophy of the America which I believed in, and which I hope will someday come into being."

AS long as we have the GOP and DLC and likeminded corporate whores.
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:03 PM
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5. The "war to end all wars"
kinda screwed up in the end, eh?
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