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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:56 AM
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Why Lakoff’s latest is so IMPORTANT – how to awaken the cult.
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 12:06 PM by Cell Whitman
The article has been posted before but the subject is way, way too important for just one post. It is the whole ballgame and should have a dozens of posts discussing it and on how to implement its points.

Rockridge has a piece out which might best be titled “IT’S THE CONSERVATISM STUPID!!!" It explains that we are wasting our firepower criticizing Bush. He is NOT running in ’08 and is not the problem - it is conservative ideology. The right has demonized “liberalism” with lies and propaganda to the point where they don’t have to honestly debate a single issue. All they do is get the word out to their cult that a person is a “liberal” (even if he isn't) and their followers shut down their minds to anything that person says.

It is time we demonized conservatism with the effing TRUTH!! If we don’t get this, we don’t win! It is as simple as that.

For my addition I wanted to make two points.

One is that some will say that there are “fiscal” conservatives who oppose Bush’s policies so somehow they have a firewall protecting them from criticism. Well, they support EVERYTHING else conservatives do which is taking our nation to a very, very dark place. They vote for today's conservative movement, they enable it, so stop making excuses for them.

You also have the conservative who blinds people with what I call the “Good Old Uncle Ernie Syndrome.” You know Uncle Ernie; he makes you think “Good Old Uncle Ernie is a conservative and he ain’t so bad. He means well.” So you give a pass to the right, thinking somehow Good Old Uncle Ernie will rise again and take back his movement from the theocrats, homophobes, corporate shills, traitors and Godwin’s Law be damned, fascists who have a death grip on it now. Uncle Ernie blinds us from reality; he is who makes us think conservatism is not as intensely destructive to our nation as it most certainly is.

You see, Good Old Uncle Ernie, has NO control over today’s conservatism NONE, NADA, ZERO. If he got beyond the fake patriotism and had any real concern for his country he would have seen this and LEFT the movement. But no, good old Uncle Ernie will go down and vote for the destruction of his country in ’06 and ’08 just like he did in ’00, ‘02 and ’04. Uncle Ernie is a huge part of the problem, he enables the destroyers.

We must make the country understand what conservatism is doing to the nation, that it is their view of the world which is taking us to hell - which I repeat, it most certainly is.

Now for my second point and I won’t go into a lot of detail here... But not only in communicating with the country but on an individual basis when communicating with a conservative - please keep this in mind...

People who study the best ways to talk to folks caught up in cults will tell you NOT to attack the cult leader. That only makes them close their minds because they have been conditioned to believe he is their persecuted and misunderstood leader. If you want to get to them, talk about their ideology and how that has mislead them and define your terms because what you are talking about is not always what they are talking about.

Individually - If you get them to see what their movement’s policies are doing that are digging us deeper into this hell hole, if you get them to agree, don’t stand over them like you have beaten them. Don’t pound your chest and say “I told you so!!” Put your arm around them and tell them it isn’t their fault, they have been mislead by their movement.


Let me finish by putting it bluntly -- If we don't "get" this article we DON'T GET THE PROBLEM. If we don’t get the problem we will NEVER win. No, Bush is not running in '08 and they have already started this frame that he isn't a "good conservative" - that is a huge fraud. They will put lipstick on another extremist and tell the country he is Bush without the baggage, he is "new and improved" conservative. They will pull it off if we don't attack the real problem, CONSERVATISM, which I repeat is a homophobic, anti-science, theocratic, corporate shilling, anti-constitution, nation destroying movement. You see it, now go after it. It is the enemy of the future of our nation and must be exposed for what it is.

IT’S THE CONSERVATISM STUPID!!!


http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/lakoff/incompetent


Bush Is Not Incompetent
by George Lakoff, Marc Ettlinger and Sam Ferguson

Progressives have fallen into a trap. Emboldened by President Bush’s plummeting approval ratings, progressives increasingly point to Bush's "failures" and label him and his administration as incompetent. ;b]For example, Nancy Pelosi said “The situation in Iraq and the reckless economic policies in the United States speak to one issue for me, and that is the competence of our leader." Self-satisfying as this criticism may be, it misses the bigger point. Bush’s disasters — Katrina, the Iraq War, the budget deficit — are not so much a testament to his incompetence or a failure of execution. Rather, they are the natural, even inevitable result of his conservative governing philosophy. It is conservatism itself, carried out according to plan, that is at fault. Bush will not be running again, but other conservatives will. His governing philosophy is theirs as well. We should be putting the onus where it belongs, on all conservative office holders and candidates who would lead us off the same cliff.

To Bush’s base, his bumbling folksiness is part of his charm — it fosters conservative populism. Bush plays up this image by proudly stating his lack of interest in reading and current events, his fondness for naps and vacations and his self-deprecating jokes. This image causes the opposition to underestimate his capacities — disregarding him as a complete idiot — and deflects criticism of his conservative allies. If incompetence is the problem, it’s all about Bush. But, if conservatism is the problem, it is about a set of ideas, a movement and its many adherents.

The idea that Bush is incompetent is a curious one. Consider the following (incomplete) list of major initiatives the Bush administration, with a loyal conservative Congress, has accomplished:

*Centralizing power within the executive branch to an unprecedented degree
Starting two major wars, one started with questionable intelligence and in a manner with which the military disagreed

*Placing on the Supreme Court two far-right justices, and stacking the lower federal courts with many more

*Cutting taxes during wartime, an unprecedented event

*Passing a number of controversial bills such as the PATRIOT Act, the No Child Left Behind Act, the Medicare Drug bill, the Bankruptcy bill and a number of massive tax cuts

*Rolling back and refusing to enforce a host of basic regulatory protections
Appointing industry officials to oversee regulatory agencies

*Establishing a greater role for religion through faith-based initiatives

*Passing Orwellian-titled legislation assaulting the environment — “The Healthy Forests Act” and the “Clear Skies Initiative” — to deforest public lands, and put more pollution in our skies

*Winning re-election and solidifying his party’s grip on Congress

These aren’t signs of incompetence. As should be painfully clear, the Bush administration has been overwhelmingly competent in advancing its conservative vision. It has been all too effective in achieving its goals by determinedly pursuing a conservative philosophy.

It’s not Bush the man who has been so harmful, it’s the conservative agenda.


much much more...

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:03 PM
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1. I think this is extremely insightful and powerful.
The shrub is basically irrelevant.

We don't hate him; he doesn't matter that much. What we hate is the damage to our country, our Constitution, and our ability to lead the world in a better direction.

It's time that "conservative" become synonymous with corporatism, crony capitalism, and secret government run for the benefit of the insiders, instead of We the People.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:50 PM
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45. Absolutely - George Bush isn't even running in 2006
I have to admit that I DO hate him:grr:

But that isn't what we need to run on.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 10:03 PM
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47. Okay, okay, I gotta admit the guy responsible for so many things I hate
comes in for a little bit of it too.

Actually, it's more like anger and contempt. I don't want him to suffer, necessarily; I just want the junta he's propped in front of gone, and all their vile procedural tendrils rejected from the body of American democracy, in such a way that democracy, protected by extra antibodies from the exposure, is more resistant in the future.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 09:40 AM
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57. Well said Bleever
I suppose I don't really want him to suffer either, although I don't think that means that I don't hate him.

His perfect punishment would be to require him to go before a national TV audience for two hours and get questioned by a REAL journalist, such as Keith Oberman or Seymour Hersh, or hell, even Stephen Colbert. That would humiliate him, drop his approval ratings into singal digits, the American people (at least the Bush voters) would learn a great deal from the experience, and we would be a much improved country as a result.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:09 PM
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2. and don't forget to personally smear conservatives like
RUSH LIMPBALLS!

Pick your target.
Freeze your target.
Personalize your target.
Polarize your target.
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:29 PM
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8. don't "smear" use what he does and believes, his actions and goals
to show how that represents "conservatism" and how that is the problem.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:47 PM
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10. refuse to smear his integrity as a person and you miss the bus
this is a culture war. look at what they did to clinton. they did it STRATEGICALLY. understnad this. using the sexual sickness against them, gets them where it hurts. they will have to backoff.

or not and lose again. whatever.
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:04 PM
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14. when they smeared Clinton they ALWAYS promoted him as a liberal
they tied the two.

This is how I see it...

I am not saying don't go after Rush, he is a CONSERVATIVE and a large part of the problem. I am just saying if you have a half hour chance to tell someone all the hypocrisy, lies and lack of moral character he has, make the fact that he represents CONSERVATISM the tie in.

Rush has the "integrity" of today's CONSERVATIVE.

Like Coutler, yes saddle them with every word she says, but make sure you make the fact that she represents "conservatism" your main thrust.

My point is, you can talk about Rush till the cows come home, they don't vote for Rush. They listen to his CONSERVATIVE propaganda which is destroying the nation.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:08 PM
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15. that's what i'm saying: conservative *equals* sexual issues
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:09 PM
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16. liberal *equals* gettin' some
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:10 PM
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17. conservative *equals* bedwetter
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:11 PM
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18. liberal *equals* "she comes first"
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:12 PM
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19. conservative *equals* deviant
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:46 PM
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21. still the point is the philosophy they have is more
important to expose than how sick Rush or Coulter or Bush are...they don't run for office

Coulter and Rush support a corrupt CONSERVATIVE philosophy.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:53 PM
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43. Coulter and Limpbaugh are perfect symbols
They could be used to identify all that is wrong with what is now called "conservatism."
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 10:09 PM
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48. Are you guys agreeing without noticing?
Don't mean to interrupt.

:hi:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:35 PM
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58. Good point n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:11 PM
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3. conservatives are SICKOS! GOPedophiles!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=132&topic_id=2699778&mesg_id=2699778


* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:27 PM
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7. Nice list but it misses the point - change every place it says
"Republican" to "conservative"... :7
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:56 PM
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27. that would make no sense. they are elected repubs...
i get lackoff's point already.
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:45 PM
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9. This is a good list -- CONSERVATIVES never see this side
of their movement. They watch FOX and listen to hate radio which never tells them about what evil CONSERVATISM has produced and enabled. They are mislead to believe "CONSERVATISM" is doing the work of the Lord, WHICH IS NOT!!

It's is another sign of how bereft of moral principles CONSERVATISM is, CONSERVATIVES use Jesus as a political tool.

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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:16 PM
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4. Let me just pat myself on the back for a minute here
I've been saying that since the middle 1970s.

But George Lakoff says it so much better than me. Read his stuff!

NOW!

--p!
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:18 PM
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5. RACISM is the core of today's conservative voter.
look at the map of RW voters. Racist south and midwest.

there are ways to defuse racism.

1. guarantee house value

2. guarantee Jobs for All.... see site, in my sig. Galbraith was adviser till demise.. SoLabor Reich.. of Clinton time.. also advises.

when the racist is not afraid of losing house value to blockbusting, nor his job to ethnics, he will begin to think on our economic issues. Till then, race dominates his mind.

open to other defuse ideas... got any?
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:48 PM
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42. Also important
Universal health care.

When it isn't just welfare mothers and undocumented workers who get health care for free*, the ugly issue of working class with no health insurance will evaporate.

*The repub meme.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:21 PM
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6. all of those accomplishments
could not have happened without the republican congress. had the congress been weighted left, he would not have done any of those things. imo.

ellen fl
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:53 PM
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12. no....all of those accomplishments...
could not have happened without a "CONSERVATIVE" congress.

:7
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:51 PM
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11. The point here is when you start to write or say "Bush is taking us to..."
Hell because......."

you are likely articulating another treasonous democracy subverting action. You know the issue, but take a moment, pause and think about whether you could better word it "CONSERVATISM is taking us to hell because...."
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:02 PM
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13. Excellent article....Lakoff is outstanding as usual
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 01:22 PM
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20. Thx for posting this article again!
I find when discussing this topic with folks that if I say, 'I used to be a republican until, I learned.......' it helps open the conversation. I think there are a lot of people out there just looking for an excuse to get away from the pugs and their neo-conservative policies that are ruining our nation.

I gave a copy of this article to my mom yesterday....now she wants more so to give to others in our pug family...who I can't talk to anymore.

And great idea about NOT attacking the cult leader....don't really even need to mention his name unless they do.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:09 PM
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22. Kicked, recommended, and bookmarked. n/t
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:16 PM
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23. Great read - The Dems should listen to Lakoff more
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:35 PM
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24. This man is a genius...
His advice should be heeded scrupulously. I recommend any and all of his books.

tc
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:21 PM
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25. Lakoff is wrong and right...
He still doesn't see that Conservatism is incompetent.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:25 PM
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26. The problem is the word "liberal" vs the word "conservative"
It is easier for the right to turn the word "liberal" into a pejorative term than it is to do with the word "conservative".

The word liberal already has negative connotations before it even enters the political fray. The word "liberal" can mean loose, careless, reckless, rash, etc.

It's harder to find a problem with the word "conservative." It's a term that commands more respect. It implies a reserved, rational mindset that's never too frivolous, never too quick to rush to judgement, or give anything away without weighing the consequences.

Who would you rather let handle your finances, a person who is described as being conservative-minded, or someone with a liberal spirit? Who would you hire to look after your children?

As much as I hate to react in any way to the denigration of the word "liberal", I think we should go with "progressive". It's forward thinking, and it contains the word "progress". Everybody likes progress. Almost everybody has been burned by someone in their lived who was too "liberal" with something or another, and it's just too negative of a term.
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:19 PM
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29. Liberal = Liberty is part of my message.
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 04:34 PM by Reckon
Edit: CONSERVATIVES want to take away your Civil Liberties!
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:45 PM
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31. Liberal and liberty don't have the same meanings, though
In fact, libertarians have a stronger claim on that word than we liberals. Not ideologically, but linguistically.
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:19 PM
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33. Yes, but most American Idol watchers don't know that.
But if a repup does get technical, I point to the webster dictionary:

liberal: Etymology: from Latin: liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free.

The root of Liberty: of or befitting a man of free birth

In any case, CONSERVATIVES want to take away our freedoms and Liberals stand for civil liberties. FREEDOM!
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:05 PM
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28. Nice, I mean really nice post, Cell
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 04:17 PM by Reckon
Spot on! We need strategies like this to give us direction.

I would like this posted in the research area so we can further develop and share these strategies with other Dems.

Hopefully the thinkers and researchers will join in!

See you there.

K&R





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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:44 PM
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30. Absolutely! George is just the shill.
Their "theories" on education and economics are bogus and their motives are corrupt. The Laffer curve concept they keep pushing is one big sad joke. And the whole "failing government schools" mantra is a curtain they hide behind to gain control of the education dollars, not to actually improve education, but to gain access to the profits they can wrest away from already underfunded school systems. The government does many thing far better than any private company because private companies have a direct conflict of interest with the interests of the public at large. Privatizing services for our armed forces for the direct benefit of Haliburton and other rapacious companies is a a sad and glaring example. They do what is cheap and easy and not what is best for the troops.
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:35 PM
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35. "theories on education" The repubs want
the Bible taught in school so they get to the kids at a very young and impressionable age to increase the ranks of young goose stepping Conservatives.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:52 PM
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32. That's very true
Instead of just blaming Bush for everything, we have to realize that he's just one manifestation of a whole sick ideology that thinks of the robber baron era of the nineteenth century as "the good old days."

Even if some Democrat wins in 2008, we will still have to contend with the ideology of war-mongering, privatization, tax cuts, and reduced civil liberties, because Bush's retirement will still leave plenty of neocons and fundies in positions of power.
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:24 PM
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34. Exactly!
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 06:21 PM by Reckon
I label them as "Company store Conservatives" that want to enslave you to a "lifetime of debt" (most people can relate to debt) that you can never get out of. Which in fact, is the truth. Conservatives voted to stop regular people from filling bankruptcy, then voted against capping (loan shark) interest rates at 30%.

A better term might be "Credit Card Company Conservatives".

It would be a very good idea for the dems to run on reducing CC interest rates. That would be equal to a tax cut but not hurt the treasury.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:43 PM
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36. It's essential to framing the debate so we reach Americans. THIS
is what people want/need to hear.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:08 PM
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37. Conservative=regressive. Conservative=coldhearted. Conservative=
shortsighted.
Conservative=corruption.
Conservative=theft.
Conservative=lies.
Conservative=deception.
Conservative=greedy.
Conservative=unethical.
Conservative=pro-death (war and the death penalty).
Conservative=more unwanted pregnancy, which= more abortions.
Conservative=more and bigger and more intrusive government.
Conservative=desiring a two-tiered educational system.
Conservative=raping the earth.
Conservative=poison in our air, water and communities.
Conservative=jobs shipped overseas.
Conservative=low wage jobs in the US.
Conservative=coward.
Conservative=chickenhawk.
Conservative=chickenshit.

And so on.
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:59 PM
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39. Agreed. Also: Conservative=Republican & Republican=Conservative
In my opinion anyone who tries to paint this as a "conservative congress" without driving home the point they are a REPUBLICAN Congress there to rubberstamp Bush is missing the boat.

Wat
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:26 PM
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40. Very true. It's important to make the point very clear to the mutant sheep
in this country that the traitors, the liars, the killers and the thieves who are ruining our great nation are REPUBLICANS...let's not let them forget it!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:05 PM
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38. K & f*cking R!
:kick: :patriot:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:37 PM
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41. This sound much easier than holding W & Co. accountable
for various abuses of power and impeachable offenses, including some on that list in the Lakoff piece.

*Centralizing power within the executive branch to an unprecedented degree
Starting two major wars, one started with questionable intelligence and in a manner with which the military disagreed
*Placing on the Supreme Court two far-right justices, and stacking the lower federal courts with many more
*Cutting taxes during wartime, an unprecedented event
*Passing a number of controversial bills such as the PATRIOT Act, the No Child Left Behind Act, the Medicare Drug bill, the Bankruptcy bill and a number of massive tax cuts
*Rolling back and refusing to enforce a host of basic regulatory protections
Appointing industry officials to oversee regulatory agencies
*Establishing a greater role for religion through faith-based initiatives
*Passing Orwellian-titled legislation assaulting the environment — “The Healthy Forests Act” and the “Clear Skies Initiative” — to deforest public lands, and put more pollution in our skies
*Winning re-election and solidifying his party’s grip on Congress



btw: IT'S THE CORPORATISM, STUPID.

"If we don’t get the problem we will NEVER win."
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:54 PM
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44. I agree
Corporate REPUBLICANS seems to be the correct term to use.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 10:24 PM
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51. oh goodness did I forget the
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 10:25 PM by omega minimo
This sounds much easier than holding W & Co. accountable
:sarcasm:




Why the diversion from the actions of the *Co. administration?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 09:18 AM
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56. Yes! Excellent summation. n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 10:01 PM
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46. kicked and recommended!
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 10:16 PM
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49. "Republican" and "Conservative" are becoming the new dirty words
In my little world no one wants to be identified with them.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 10:20 PM
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50. K&R. And relates to why
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 10:22 PM by snot
the personalized hostility some DU'ers express dismays me, whether toward conservative leaders or their followers. I don't blame anyone for being angry about the situation, but personally, the streams of vitriol posted by some DU'ers about how much they hate not just Bush et al. but ordinary folks who support him worry me. We can't nuke 'em all -- to belabor the phrase, we've got to win their hearts and minds!

I've honestly wondered whether some of the super-negative posts I've seen here were planted by freepers or trolls.
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:03 PM
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52. "we've got to win their hearts and minds!"
I totally agree. That's always my goal. Sometimes I get a Bu$h supporter to start seeing the light and a name caller comes on board and the supporter is right back defending Bu$h.

The goal is change peoples minds, not tit for tat. I try to not go there. But I do label depending on the topic.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:10 PM
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53. I have thought this for a long time.
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 11:11 PM by Clarkie1
We aren't running against Bush! We need to reframe conservatism in a negative light, and reframe liberalism in a positive light. The best way to do that is to not attack Bush, but attack the ideology. Looking forward into 08', the best way to not turn-off all those nice, mislead Republicans and to get them to listen to our message is to hit them with a lot of cognitive dissonance on what a "liberal" is by nominating a 4-star liberal General (because a "liberal" general doesn't fit into their schema).
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:25 AM
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54. conservative vs progressive
i agree with an upthread poster that "progressive" is a better term than "liberal" so i'll use it here. i think of a liberal as an "allower".

a conservative is one who wants to conserve. a progressive is one who wants to progress. that we need both should be abundantly and obviously apparent.

we need a ground to stand on and we need a place to go. we need comforting tradition and we need bold new ideas.

a true conservative errs on the side of safety and stability for the common good. a true progressive is willing to challenge the status quo for the common good.

and that's the point: the common good. to the extent that conservatives use tradition to support one section of society over another, they are not for the common good. to the extent that progressives...well, frankly, i can't think of anything that progressives do that is not for the common good.

there you have it.

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Dubiosus Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:24 AM
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55. Can it be that there is always a bigger picture?
which is a pig picture!!! And that DU is to fragmented to come to conclusions?

If you are a little bit into the idea of MK-Ultra you just don't wonder any longer about this disgustful list of child abusers! And don't think that Democrats don't do that!!!

Have listen some times to David Icke who has investigated within the USA and has spoken to some of the victims, who are relating a lot of people with the satanic bohemian groove stuff and Skull and ....It's a cult and it's not only conservatism, but more. A lot of left and right wingers have been mentioned by these victims! Churchmen too. The purpose behind this, imo a hidden agenda, secrecy is their friend, always has been...

Remember the Lewinsky Scandal occurring just in the right moment to take the Alabama Bombing out of the public focus, when evidence was rising that it was an inside job, bombs were placed into the building and that a truck bomb wouldn't have had the power to destroy it the way it was?

Than your rights have been cut down because of terrorism...

It seem to be a "bigger" hand grabbing for the USA and than the World.

my 2 cents:bounce:
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