Durbin said, [bush] "reacted very strongly. He got very animated

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_12/010362.php

December 9, 2006

HARRY S BUSH....George Bush met with some Democratic leaders on Friday to review the recommendations of the ISG report and discuss the way forward in Iraq. However, they report back that he wasn't too interested in talking about this:

Instead, Bush began his talk by comparing himself to President Harry S Truman, who launched the Truman Doctrine to fight communism, got bogged down in the Korean War and left office unpopular.

Bush said that "in years to come they realized he was right and then his doctrine became the standard for America," recalled Senate Majority Whip-elect Richard Durbin, D-Ill. "He's trying to position himself in history and to justify those who continue to stand by him, saying sometimes if you're right you're unpopular, and be prepared for criticism."

Durbin said he challenged Bush's analogy, reminding him that Truman had the NATO alliance behind him and negotiated with his enemies at the United Nations. Durbin said that's what the Iraq Study Group is recommending that Bush do now — work more with allies and negotiate with adversaries on Iraq.

Bush, Durbin said, "reacted very strongly. He got very animated in his response" and emphasized that he is "the commander in chief."

and pass a resolution demanding that the troops be brought home as soon as is logistically possible.

It worked before...!

When there is no alternative because of a stubborn idiot in the Oval Office. Glad I voted them in to protect themselves from being called un-American instead of protecting our young men and women who are losing their lives and limbs everyday in Iraq from roadside bombs.

What can they possibly be saving their political capital for that's more important than ending this war? The Patients Bill of Rights 2.0? Regualting violent video games?

It is clear to anyone with an ounce of brain that
Iraq war was a mistake. The sooner we stop spending
blood and treasure the better.

However if they cut the funding, it will be spinned
as not supporting the troops. We shall soon see if the
newly elected congress has some kahuna's.

"Off with his head!"

is his fucking legacy:puke:

Sounds to me like Bush has absolutely lost it. He will irreparably crack any moment now...and not a moment too soon for the good of the country.

Preferably when the cameras are rolling.

After all, it's ALL ABOUT HIM, in his pea-brain. At least Truman was a real president. Sometimes it seems like * uses that "commander in chief" crap like Viagra for his ego shrinkage. Not to mention, if you choose to go to war and create adversaries just so you can be a "war president" and a "commander in chief" it really doesn't seem to mean much. What a waste of skin...

A lot of Truman's unpopularity was because he fired a national hero, General MacArthur. Another problem was that we were not winning the Korean war. No one thought that the Chinese would enter the war with such ferocity.

The MacArthur part is certainly true, too. There aren't any "national heroes" in bush's regime, anyway.

:spank:

Jon Stewart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9wJqvmPfQc

Lil Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eav6iwaNR1E

I went to the original source, and there's more interesting information there:

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/16198013.htm

You're right; very interesting! I liked the part about the blue dog Dems and their interest in "conservative" fiscal policy. If they do have such an interest, chimp is the last person they should be talking to.

It's not only the Blue Dogs that care about fiscal conservatism; the Dem party as a whole is shaping up that way.

By the way, I admire your screen name as an Austen fan. :hi:

And I admire your doggie. What a cutie.:)

He's only concerned about his image, all else is expendable.

What a fucking psycho.

I'm looking forward to that becoming the standard for America.

(Dear God!)

An angry cartoon, with steam coming out of the ears. He *is* the Commander in Chief--the Decider. So he needs to realize it's all that much more important to understand his options and exercise the one that is least disastrous. It's not just for himself, but for the world he leaves behind when he leaves office. The position Durbin explained, of being unpopular but still being right is possible--but it also needs to be considered that a person may well be unpopular because they have been wrong. A lot.

This administration has shown a frightening tendency towards isolation--to deciding they have to just have their moment and do what they have to do regardless of what is said or felt or even known to the contrary. His analogy comparing himself to Truman is flawed. Bush should know this--the Korean conflict has never really been resolved--that's why he has all this trouble with North Korea. The Truman Doctrine, if I understand it correctly, wasn't *exemplified* by that war, but by military aid and economic packages to countries to contain Communism. I see a mini-parallel in his oft-repeated "fight them there so we aren't fighting them here" phrasing, but that's where the similarity ends. If anything, I don't see this State Dept talking, not to Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc, with a goal of peace-keeping and limiting the terror. This war in Iraq, and the lack of diplomatic strength (because what do we have--aggression--invasion? It's not a "big stick" if we aren't free to swing it--and we aren't and it's clear to thoughtful observers--I exempt, of course, the "Hey, let's glass Mecca" total-war Free Republic crowd--naturally). What we have isn't containment, it's attrition.

That's no doctrine. It's a bad use of time, assets, and above all, our military. Or so my little opinion goes.

... who is revealed to be a cartoon disguised as a human.

in the sense that he's decimated civillian towns like Truman did in Japan. Separately, I don't believe Truman negotiated with Japan or Germany at the UN. Can anyone prove otherwise?

The UN did not exist yet.

The sad reality of war is that, once started, you can only win, lose, or pause - winning a war means destroying the enemy's will to fight - including the will of the civilians. Hence Sherman's march to the sea, and the destruction of Dresden, Tokyo, and so forth.

War should only be a last, last resort - precisely because there is no way to win a war that is not horrific.

My mistake- did we talk to N. Korea at the UN during the Korean War?

The UN actually voted to start the Korean War. Things were done differently than in Iraq.

There's no record of that. The USSR at the time was boycotting the UN. And I don't think N. Korea was a member, or if they were, is there any evidence to suggest we talked to them at the UN?

"Democrat Party"

comparing himself to truman, ehhhheehehehee. i cannot imagine how horrifying it must be for ADULTS to have to deal with him on a daily basis. the recent tale of how condi (i think it was) had to scuttle around behind his back to even get that iraq report group underway was quite telling. for all his bluster it seems he's pretty easy to manipulate when handled properly.

I think it's interesting that he so often feels a need to do that.

Reminds me of his little jackets with "George W. Bush, President" embroidered on the pockets.

The Constitution of the United States gives the title to the President of the United States, who "shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States" (See the 1941 Declarations of War<1> against Japan and Germany for how this call is made). The title commander-in-chief has been used from time to time to refer to powerful regional U.S. military leaders (such as CENTCOM), but the United States abolished all local commands-in-chief in 2002.....

In the United States, the Goldwater-Nichols Defense Reorganization Act of 1986 added a new level of commanders-in-chief (CINCs). Under Goldwater-Nichols, regional CINCs were created to bring a local supreme commander to a conflict, the most well-known of which was CINC CENTCOM, who was Norman Schwarzkopf during Operation Desert Storm.

On October 24, 2002, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld announced that the title of "Commander-in-Chief" would thereafter be reserved for the President, consistent with the terms of Article II of the United States Constitution. Armed forces CINCs in specified regions would thereafter be known as "combatant commanders," heading the Unified Combatant Commands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-Chief

The story was discussed at DU back in 2002. Little Boots never really served, but he's eager to play the role.

.. to 'previous presidents' rather than grab himself by the short curlies and just DO THE DAMN JOB?

I can't even imagine what kind of complex (es) this little man has. He's a shrink's wet dream!!

So far he has compared himself to Truman, Reagan, even Lincoln. And in one speech there was an FDR reference. He is just plain :crazy:

Wouldn't surprise me if his neo-con advisors were priming him with the flattering Truman comparisons to get him to nuke Iran in the face of domestic and world opinion.

GWB will not change anything, especially as it relates to Iraq, on his own. Therefore, our path is now brightly illuminated. He won't accept the recommndations of a non-partisan study group. He is no longer leading(not that he ever really did) but rather pulling. We must remove him from office and start a change in our foreign policy. The time to start is NOW!
Let me repeat, impeach,impeach, impeach............ :mad:

It's really the ONLY way to make sure that all our dead and maimed from the war in Iraq, ESPECIALLY those who'll meet that fate in the next two-three weeks in which he diddles while that whole country self-immolates so he can wait til after the holidays before he actually has to do something, will NOT have died in vain. It's the ONLY way to honor their sacrifice at this point - to make sure the asshole who lied them over there to start this disgrace is HELD FULLY ACCOUNTABLE, and pays a rawther steep price for it. It's the only way.

How's that again?

IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!!!!

To paraphrase one of the best lines ever .....

"Mr President, I served with Harry Truman, I knew Harry Truman, Harry Truman was a friend of mine. Mr President, you are no Harry Truman ..... (Actually, you are an AWOL, inept misfit who doesn't have enough common sense to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heel)."



A classic case of delusions of grandeur if he thinks he can even come close to Truman's shadow.

And Bush is a war profiteer.

--IMM

that --> 8 BILLION is still unaccounted in Iraq for from 2004 and this news item also has slipped into oblivion...

Is there anything more disgusting than this retarded man-child running our country?