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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 05:15 PM
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Hillary leads big in California- Clinton 46%, Obama 28%, Edwards 14%
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/16147
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 05:23 PM
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1. It appears there may be only one person who may stop the Clinton juggernaut.
Although if she is nominated and elected, my president, for me, will be known as President Clinton and not President Hillary. I just don't think in current politics too many people are confused when Clinton is referred to as being ahead or whatever that it refers to Senator Clinton or ex President Clinton.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 05:28 PM
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2. Hillary is just another tool of the power elite new world order
The new world order power elite now rules. elections are just a front to make the 85% masses of the blind, deaf and dumb think there is still a democracy. while the elections are electronically controlled.
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 05:47 PM
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3. it just amuses me to no end
The 50 million polls that have Hillary leading by significant margins all get few replies and sink like a rock here.

But the 1 or 2 outliers that have Obama closer get 100+ replies and stay on the top for days and days and days.

Very amusing.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:10 PM
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6. And it amuses me....
...how the Hillaristas constantly show off MSM polls based primarily on name recognition as "evidence" of their candidate's strength.

But when any other poll comes out showing Hillary Clinton trailing or in a statistical tie with other candidates, THOSE polls are suddenly "meaningless"...or "it's too early" to be reading anything into them.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:12 PM
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8. The supporters of other candidates do the same
a lot of people choose to believe polls based on who they're supporting.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 06:56 PM
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23. I agree with you on that
But cherry-picking the polls that favor one's candidate, while simultaneously disregarding the polls that show that same candidate having major weaknesses, is not an effective way of strong-arming people onto a bandwagon.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:23 PM
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10. Did you ever think
that maybe folks don't reply to the thought of Hillary becoming the nominee because it is depressing. Many of us here are tired of losing.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:23 PM
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11. That's because it's no fun to root for Microsoft
and fellow travellers in the running-up-the-score crowd, i.e. the Clintons.

Good luck with your continued quest to understand human nature.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:21 PM
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20. A lot of psycholgy in that statement.
I think many people DO like rooting for the dominant "team". The Atlanta Braves, the NY Yankees, Manchester United, Pele, Tiger Woods. Why do companies advertise their product as "the #1 seller!"? Because people like winners.
Yes, some people like rooting for the underdog, but not everyone, and probably not even most people.

Presidential politics is a particularly difficult arena in which to pick an underdog. We only get one chance. No returns, no hedging your bets, no second place, and potentially serious consequences for screwing up. I think most people are unlikely to take much risk under those circumstances.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:53 PM
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21. When victory is expected
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 12:56 PM by BeyondGeography
there's less enthusiasm en route; I'm not saying the dominant team has fewer fans. Munster wonders why polls with good news for someone other than the frontrunner generate so much more enthusiasm than those which confirm her status. You're making a different point (and one which I don't disagree with) but, to use your analogy, fans of the dominant team expect to win and tend to be less demonstrative when victory occurs. Hillary is playing the Mudville nine, and, if Mighty Casey ever hits that home run, we shouldn't be surprised if all hell breaks loose.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:05 PM
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4. These numbers will all change depending on momentum from Iowa & NH results
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:08 PM
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5. I saw an Edwards Sticker here in the Bay Area Today
So Far

Hillary 3
Obama 2
Edwards 1
Gore 1
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:10 PM
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7. You've seen a lot more bumper stickers than I have!
I live in Florida most of the time, but I recently drove from Washington DC to Florida, and I've seen a total of 2 bumper stickers: one for Hillary (in DC) and one for Obama (in Tampa). Here in FL, I still see a lot of Bush-Cheney stickers, and a fair number of Kerry-Edwards stickers.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:17 PM
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9. Gosh I haven't seen one of those in a few weeks
the bush stickers are getting very infrequent here .
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joe_sixpack Donating Member (655 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:49 PM
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12. It seems the media has already narrowed the field
to Hillary, Obama and Edwards. It's sad because this early in the game the country really needs to take its time and listen to what all of the candidates are saying. I feel a little short changed because we haven't even held a primary yet and it's as if we're being told that these three raised the most money, therefore the others aren't even worth paying attention to.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 09:08 AM
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19. I think that blaming it on "the media" is a cop out.
Mainstream campaigns depend on media to succeed, therefore successful campaigns must identify the things media look for in their coverage and develop a strategy to take advantage of that. Even with the coverage, campaigns then have to figure how to turn that into money and support. Just look at Joe Biden. For the first 6 months of this year you prectically couldn't turn on a morning news show or a political talk show without seeing Biden on every week, and yet he has been unable to turn that exposure into money or support.

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freesqueeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:38 PM
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13. So...are the Hillary supporters claiming victory yet?
Is the inevitable ever really inevitable?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 09:03 PM
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15. I just might. lol
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:40 PM
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14. A name for ya, Herman
HOWARD DEAN

Led all the polls at this point in the cycle
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 09:09 PM
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16. I remember seeing a poll this time 2003
Showing Lieberman ahead in California and later Dean led. And after Iowa and New Hampshire Kerry won. People this is California, the person with the most momentum is going to win and that depends on who wins the early states.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 09:24 PM
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17. The Republicans' nightly prayer...
http://content.cartoonbox.slate.com/?feature=8b6ece931b4e08cea1a8784d7d9b2ecc
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 08:24 AM
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18. She leads big everywhere.
No surprise there.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:16 PM
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22. I guess also in Iowa, NH, and South Carolina huh?
I guess she leads big according to the new Harris Poll also right? And she leads big against all the GOP candidates also right?
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