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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 08:30 PM
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Are Dems NOT Impeaching so Hillary and Obama can run in '08?
Is is possible that the Democratic Party has decided NOT to impeach Bush/indict Cheney/inaugurate Pelosi because Hillary wants to run in a race in 2008 with no incumbent?

It seems to me like an incumbent Pelosi would be an awesome way to go into the 2008 election.

Has this possibility ever been discussed?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 08:31 PM
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1. They don't have enough of a majority to make it stick. Not enough votes. nt
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 08:34 PM
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2. Staying Up Nights thinking of Wildest Reason's WHY...
Hillary is meeting the competition head on and SMASHING them into oblivion.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 08:42 PM
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6. Only Beating McCain by 2 Points Is LAME
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 08:44 PM
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7. Huh?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:19 PM
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11. Even Allowing for the Usual Pro-Repig Bias in Gallup Polls, It's Still Very Bad for Clinton & Obama
Edited on Wed Jun-20-07 11:42 PM by AndyTiedye
NEW YORK While much appears to be going the Democrats' way in public opinion, it is not really translating in presidential election heats -- and now Mayor Mike Blomberg might enter the race as an independent, which might hurt the Dems, as well.

A new Gallup poll finds the three leading Democratic contenders barely edging the top Republicans. The only exception is that former Gov. Mitt Romney fares very poorly. At the same time, former Sen. John Edwards appears to be soaring.

The June 11-14 polls finds Sen. Hillary Clinton besting Sen. John McCain 48% to 46%, Sen. Barack Obama topping him 49% to 46% and Edwards, surprisingly, with the biggest edge, 50% to 44%. The numbers for a race against former Mayor Rudy Giuliani are almost the same.


http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003601112
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2887981&mesg_id=2887981

When it's that close, we "lose".

Our viable candidates are Al Gore, Al Gore and Al Gore. I just hope he realizes that in time.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 08:35 PM
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3. Of course it has been discussed.
And no, Hillary is not behind that "decision."
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 08:38 PM
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4. The shredded Constitution IS btw..
read here and stop blaming Hillary for snowstorms in Hawaii!
Grab a cuppa coffee or if you prefer, a cocktail, and settle down for a read:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/sep/29/the_star_chamber





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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 08:39 PM
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5. No
that's not why.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 08:45 PM
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8. that would not be it. Not enough votes to impeach or even bring it to trial
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 08:57 PM
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9. Why NO Impeachment-----to me it is very simple
2006--2008 is only 2 years. With what was promised in
the last election this just about gives the House and
Senate that much time. Already the country is angry
and disgusted.

No matter how one feels about impeachment, the country
would be ready to "kill us all" if we took off on
something like that. The country sees a whole lot
of trouble mounting in this country. It is important
to them that some things get accomplished. They can
be made as H at GWB but do not want the spectacle
and time wasted trying to impeach the president.
They figure he will soon be gone. Stopping everything
to try to impeach the President is no winner for
Democrats.

You would be much better off going after Republicans
and tying him to them. They have not made a serious
attempt to stop him. They will be here when he is long
gone because the Democrats on the Hill and the Activists
are sitting idly by while waiting for the Republicans
to pull away from him. They will go scotfree once again
and win the next election. They should be held accountable
daily for continuuing to rubberstamp his decisions.

The country has given up on GWB. Some here would do
well to do the same and hold Republicans accountable.

Hatred Blinds judgement and one loses every time.

I can understand the frustration, but the Democrats must
have larger Margins in House and Senate to even consider
such a move. Furthermore, I repeat it would cause the
Democrats to loose the slight majority they have.


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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:07 AM
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15. Yeah, there is no point. By the time u get investigations done, it would be late 2008 already.
Also the majority of Americans don't generally like impeachments.

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tired_old_fireman Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 09:28 PM
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10. I think you're giving them too much credit.
They don't impeach because the majority of them are lazy cowards.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:23 PM
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12. Exactly! They won't impeach because they are spineless
They are more afraid of Bush, and more concerned about Israel, than they are about the US Constitution and the Republic.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:03 AM
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14. Impeachment comes from the House...
How many times do you need to hear the same civics lesson?

The votes aren't there to Impeach Bush.

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MasterDarkNinja Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:03 AM
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13. A Dem/Pelosi would NOT take the WH if we impeached & kicked out Bush's crew
Edited on Thu Jun-21-07 12:04 AM by MasterDarkNinja
You're forgeting a few very important things.

-The repukes would never allow us to kick out both Cheney and Bush at the same time. They'd get Cheney to quit first and replace him with someone else who hadn't commited any impeachable offences so that they'd keep the whitehouse until the 08 elections.

-We'd need Repuke support to kick out Bush. If we didn't have it then first the repukes would filibuster any attempt by the house to start the impeachment, and would vote against it in the senate.

-If we handle starting up impeachment and the impeachment charges the wrong way it could backfire and help the repukes. (For example I recall reading a while ago that a lot of people wanted to impeach Bush for vetoing the war spending bill with a timetable for withdrawal, a perfectly legal thing well within Bush's power as president to do. Charge Bush with stuff like corruption and violating international law by invading Iraq instead).

That said though, I'm all for impeaching and kicking out Bush. We'd set a bad example of how you can get away with blantently violating the law like Bush, and would allow people to paint a nice rosy picture of Bush's reign by not having to talk about him being impeached for high crimes he commited.
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