How much of Obama's support is simply because he isn't Hillary?

It seems that a lot of his support is not because of what he stands for. It's because he is the anti-Hillary.

Quite frankly, Obama's differences with Hillary policy wise are stylistic. It's all marketing. He is younger, is a new face, and has a penis. Aside from minor differences here and there, they are both moderate middle of the road democrats who agree on 99% of things. Their voting record in the senate reflects that.

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to choose Obama, and for Obama supporters Hillary is the top second choice...so I don't see any evidence of am overwhelming anti-Hillary element to Obama's support...

may be because people consider him to be the best shot at beating hillary. Certainly, the geffin incident earlier this year showed that.

But he is the fresh face, he is very appealing...I think alot of this is just cause people like him...

Polling indicates that head to head Hillary would beat him by high teens to almost 30 points (depending on the pol), indicating she is the second choice for most Obama supporters...

That's what you get for missing meetings.


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P.S. If what you said was the case, Kucinich would be doing a lot better.

Edited to add: In the real world outside of DU, Clinton is not unpopular.

This is one of my main reasons to support him. There are many others also.

...is one of the main reasons they were initially attracted to him. Then they read his books or saw him speak and were convinced he is the one for them.

This is from people I've met in the streets and discussed offline, away from the net.

That goes to judgment and shows Obama himself does not use the IWR as a litmus test.

He also has the same position on Iraq as HRC does today, and has since 1/2005. This goes to Herman's OP. They are the same on substance. The difference is he is not HRC and he has a clever marketing team that makes people think he is the anti-HRC when he is in reality cut from the same cloth as HRC. A classic example is the fleet of BO backers who vilified HRC on outsourcing two weeks ago without even knowing that their hero had the same position on the issue...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/27/ap/politics/mainD8L0MB280.shtml

What is your problem?

EDIT: Here - from Lamont's own site...

Barack Obama Writes Emails
(Barack Obama sent out an email to his CT list supporting Ned Lamont earlier today – Tim)

Ned Lamont has waged an impressive grassroots campaign to give the people of Connecticut a choice in the November Senate election. He has a vision for his state and country, and his campaign has been about presenting that vision to Connecticut voters.

Ned Lamont and I share a commitment to bringing our troops home safely from Iraq, to achieving energy independence, to helping all our citizens realize the American dream, and to empowering the American people to reclaim their government. Ned Lamont’s campaign is about delivering on these goals in Washington.

The November 7th election is right around the corner. Please join me in supporting Ned Lamont with your hard work on-the-ground in these closing weeks of the campaign.

http://www.nedlamont.com/downthestretch

We all watched Ned’s improbable primary victory two months ago. His campaign generated a record turnout that saw 30,000 new Democrats vote to change course at home and abroad.

Ned earned the Democratic Senate nomination through his hard work and clear message. And his victory paved the way for an entire crop of Democratic challengers to stand up and fight for the common good. Today the candidacies of Diane Farrell, Joe Courtney and Chris Murphy are integral to the Democrats’ strategy to regain the majority in the U.S. House of Representatives.

A majority of Connecticut Democrats supported Ned Lamont in the August primary. I hope they will see this impressive movement through to the end by volunteering their time with Ned in these next two weeks.

http://www.nedlamont.com/downthestretch

Sincerely,

U.S. Senator Barack Obama

makes absolutely no sense considering Hilary's beating him and the other six candidates aren't. Clearly there's something about him that makes him appeal more than the other six candidates but less than Hilary.

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I would imagine very little of his support is from then anti Hillary factor because Hillary rocks!

so there will always be an opportunity for Obama or Edwards.

Isn't voting for president usually about style/personality over substance. All else being equal, Personality wins every time.

That's how winning candidates win - they bring out the X factor - which is their own personality trumping the unlikable candidate.

Thats how GWB won, he blurred the issues and made it an election about personality, while at the same time disparaging the personality of Kerry and Gore.

Now its Hillary's turn on the wrong side - she's trying to tell everyone there is no difference between her and Obama - unfortunately for her, the primary voters are too smart to buy that argument.

But she's backed up against the wall - she won't be able to defeat Obama based on personality, so she'll try to do it on the issues, or copy him on every issue.

and are the most inflammatory...are operatives. They are paid by the post.. So, take it for what it's worth and not as an accurate indicater of Hillary v Obama...

Name names or strap on the tin foil hat. Your choice.

But the good news for Herman is..

I've only been on here for a few minutes..

So I'm sure I'll run into another thread that's even more ridiculous.

Seriously Herman---