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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:42 PM
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A "what if" - Obama gets the nod and picks
...Powell.

I am just wondering. I am not advocating or anything else. It just entered my mind as something that seems plausible that he would do.

I don't need reminders of the UN speech or anything else, I am just wondering of the electorial impact.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:43 PM
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1. As what? NT
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:44 PM
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2. He wouldn't dare!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:44 PM
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3. Because they're both black?
And who knows what crazy thing those black folks will do when they get a little power.

:eyes:

Do you know how many years white people have been saying that crazy shit?
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:46 PM
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6. NO because of Powell's "conservative" credentials etc
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:52 PM
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10. Why would Obama choose a conservative??
And even if he would, why Powell over aaaallllll the other conservatives out there?

Because he's black?
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:00 PM
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15. No because Powell could want redemption over UN etc
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:58 PM
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30. Why would Obama give him that?
:shrug:

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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:45 PM
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4. You mean for VP? I don't think he would do that.
If you mean for a cabinet position, well, I hope he'd know better than that - for starters there'd be a hideous confirmation hearing in the Senate.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:46 PM
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5. I don't think you can disregard the UN speech . . .
Powell's credibility is completely shattered. After the first shocking moments ("Oh, my god, TWO black men"), that's what it'd come down to. Powell would crash Obama's campaign.
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:47 PM
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7. I am not asking you to; I am only focusing on the electorial aspect
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:49 PM
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8. I know it's a wacky idea, but I think Obama would choose a DEMOCRAT. NT
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:52 PM
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11.  & someone who is young enough to serve 8 as VP & run for Prez in 2016.
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 01:53 PM by Alamom
Powell is a repuke & 70 years old.



edsp
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:55 PM
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13. No shit; why the hell do you think I posed this like I did
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:00 PM
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16. OK, phrased another way . . .
An overwhelming response would be: "Obama's judgement sucks! How could he possibly pick that completely discredited tool of the Bush crime family as a running mate? Shit, I'm going to vote for a Libertarian."
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:14 PM
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20. Not to be confused with the response if his challenger ...
HRC gets "the nod" ...

An overwhelming response would be: "Hillary's judgment sucks! How could he possibly pick that completely discredited tool of the DLC's "corporations first and always" crime family as a running mate? Shit, I'm going to vote for a Libertarian." :shrug: :eyes:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:50 PM
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9. McCain would be the first choice.
He always is.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:55 PM
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12. Or Alan Keyes?
You know, because they are both Christian? :shrug:
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:59 PM
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14. yeah nice. No Dem would ask an R; Oh wait Kerry...
I mean this to be serious because contrary to some simpled minded Freeper comments here this kind of political thought does happen if goals overlap etc. There are many reasons.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:09 PM
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17. I know you are taking this seriously, but most of us don't see why, I guess.
Why would you ask what would happen if Obama picked Powell? It's not going to happen, first of all. Second, why would that hypothetical be any more interesting to you than any other? Obama/Clark, Obama/Anthony Bourdain?

Either you are asking what would happen if we had two black men on a ticket, or what would happen if he picked a conservative, or what would happen if he picked someone we DUers generally disapprove of. Most of us are guessing you are asking because of race, and so your question implies you are trying to find the most prominent black man who could be his running mate, in order to start a discussion on race in politics. If that's the plan, spell it out. If not, spell out why you are asking, or the responses you get will continue to be as random as your question seems to be.

Not coming down on you, just explaining why you aren't getting serious answers.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:11 PM
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18. I'd vote for...
Obama/Bourdain!

Love me some Tony!


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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:13 PM
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19. LOL! He was more involved in the Lebanon/Israel crisis than Bush was.
So that's something to recommend him.

On the other hand, I watched him eat raw seal. It's hard to vote for someone you've watched eat raw seal.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:15 PM
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21. LOL!
:headbang:
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:16 PM
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22. What Dem scenario has NOT been discussed?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:17 PM
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23. That's not an answer, and that's not a Dem scenario. nt
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:32 PM
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25. No it's not; I just asked what one have we not discussed yet
And I guess you agree that all of the scenarios have been discussed.

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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:44 PM
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40. Apparently it was McCain who contacted Kerry
not the other way around.

see also:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/4/3/11936/97033

Of course in 2004 our so-called liberal media spun it so that it sounded like Kerry was begging McCain to run with him.


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:20 PM
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24. Wait let me catch my breath?!?
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 02:24 PM by ShortnFiery
:rofl: :crazy: :rofl: :eyes:

Obama gets the nod and picks Powell?

:wtf: kind of crazy logic is that? He would NOT ever pick Powell as a running mate. :crazy:

Whisper ... much?

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:42 PM
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27. Oh, I think it would be poetic...
Yet another Democrat goes out of his way to shoot himself in the foot. It could happen!

TC
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:55 PM
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28. Naw, I think this entire thread is just an whisper reminder that Obama dare talk with
Colin Powell ... TWICE. <shriek>

It makes absolutely NO sense what-so-ever. But that is no criterion. :shrug:
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:03 PM
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32. It isn't as if Powell is a Republican war criminal or anything like that
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 03:04 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
I am sure every Republican candidate seeks the advice of a man of his prestige too...
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:09 PM
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33. So if a man of color DAREs talk with - consult with another powerful man of color, it's "a pact"
I think some here are getting real close to skirting with a racial issue ... a place where we should not wish to go.

Barbara Boxer has to work with some of the most obnoxious right wingers. Further, don't forget she felt a need (which now she later regrets) to support the warmongering Lieberman initially for his re-election campaign.

If Obama talks with Powell, twice (OMG! :wtf:) it doesn't equate, because ya know - they're both black - that he's going to pick him as his running mate.

You're close, real close to crossing a line that's going to reveal more negatives about you and your prejudices, than it will about Obama talking with Powell on TWO (x2) occasion. :(
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:13 PM
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35. Huh?
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 03:15 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
:wtf:

We reacted the same we would if any other Democrat sought the advice of Powell, Henry Kissinger, or any other war criminal.

==Barbara Boxer has to work with some of the most obnoxious right wingers. Further, don't forget she felt a need (which now she later regrets) to support the warmongering Lieberman initially for his re-election campaign.==

So what? So did HRC and Obama. They were all wrong and did not have to do so.

==If Obama talks with Powell, twice (OMG! :wtf:) it doesn't equate, because ya know - they're both black - that he's going to pick him as his running mate.==

What are you smoking? Read post #31. I said Obama would not pick Powell.

Nice job taking a page from the right-wing playbook on Miguel Estrada, Janice Brown and playing the race card. As if Powell's skin color is why 99% of non-BO supporters at DU don't like him is because he is black. It isn't because of war crimes or anything. :crazy:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:22 PM
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36. How many shady connections do *all* other candidates have all including WAR CRIMINALS.
Everyday the Democratic Leadership talks with *war criminals* in the guise of Republicans in Congress, yet, you don't find a need to KEY THEM OUT.

To be honest draft_mario_cuomo I've seen you jump on bandwagon SMEARS of Obama that KKKarl Rove would consider pure genius.

It's disgusting because *all* the candidates have talked with "senior leadership" in the Unitary Executive (all supposed war criminals), not once, not twice, but several times.

Yes, I think there's a case that some here "latch on" to the fact that Powell is black and are playing a racial prejudice line parallel to this whisper allegations into *the absurd.*

I could comment that people who make such obnoxious claims should be ashamed because it would fall on deaf ears.

WINNING, no matter how dirty, is all that seemingly matters to some here. :( :thumbsdown:
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:29 PM
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37. Is any other DEMOCRATIC prez candidate seeking foreign policy advice from a war criminal?
If so, this would be news.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:34 PM
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26. Oooooh YOU!!!
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:56 PM
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29. Why do you find this idea plausible?
Of all the possible picks for VP, why do you think Obama would choose Powell? That is the question at the root of this thread, and your failure to answer it is at the root of all the responses you have gotten so far.
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:12 PM
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34. I asked the question, that's all.
I do think that there is some plausible rationale. It would be a huge symbolic breaking of the traditional ticket mold. Powell seems to like Obama. Powell I would think would want to redeem himself.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:30 PM
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38. So where do you get the idea that "Powell seems to like Obama"?
You have a link?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:02 PM
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31. BO wouldn't but Bloomberg/Powell is a possibility
Powell, given his popularity, would make a good (in political terms. Obviously, Powell is scum given him knowingly lying at the UN) VP for Bloomberg.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:31 PM
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39. It would prove that Obama is a fraud.
I hope he's smarter ~ and far more progressive ~ than that!
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:48 PM
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41. I honestly can't see what would bind those two together.
Ok, race & gender, but beyond that? Little that I can see. I don't know if the two even personally care for one another.

Anyway to take your question at face value--as a ticket, I don't think a Obama/Powell ticket would do very well. I do think, politically, Powell would've been an excellent VP choice for the first Bush, but that was (counts on fingers) some years ago.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:02 PM
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42. Not plausible. Not likely. Not even remotely
Obama talked to Powell a couple times to mine his military experiences. There's a huge leap from that to picking him as a running mate. That just doesn't make sense at all. Powell is still a Republican.

I could see him reaching out to Hillary, though I'm not sure she'd accept. I would rather see him go to someone like Clark if he's available.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:08 PM
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43. Powell had a chance and he refused it and then joined W and blew it.
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:16 PM
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44. The point was the election implications,
and everyone is griping on the hypothetical part. It's a hypothetical people.... Calm down. I prefaced this to avoid the discussion that it now is as to discuss the "what if" he had picked him and what their impact would be, but sadly, apparently that was too complicated.
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