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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 07:00 AM
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Free market rule for corporations? how about free market rule for people?
This should shut up all freemarketers. If it is OK to not regulate what corporations do than it is only logical that you do not regulate what people do. So if Corporations can use up all our natural resources than what is stopping us? Following their logic we should be able to just find a spot of land and claim it. We should be able to each have a cow or whatever we want to further our wealth. We should be able to take water from the streams and sell it. We should be able to damn up waterways for our community's benefit. We should be able to use the airwaves freely. No fees etc..... We should be able to speed, Erect any house we choose on our property, sleep under bridges, camp on the beach and so on.

I know I'm a little off with this but do you get my drift? Regulating corporations should be compared to regulating people. There has to be rules. Corporations are people too don't ya know.

If corporations want less government then they would have to allow people to be less governed. How would they get their educated work force if people did not have to go to school? Who would pave the roads to their businesses so they can make huge profits. Who would fix their loans so they could get started?
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 07:41 AM
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1. Cause it seems ...
most people find it easier to be ruled (governed) by someone other than their soul.
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 07:57 AM
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2. I've got a better idea.
See the link below...
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 09:40 AM
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5. That was very interesting. Thanks for posting it.
I sure wish things will change for the best soon. I fear that I may not see it happen in my life time. I'll work for change though as long as I can. Have you ever read the barefoot manifesto? It's from the Ad busters mag. I love that magazine.

Here it is:
TRUECOST ECONOMICS MANIFESTO
We, the undersigned, make this accusation: that
you, the teachers of neoclassical economics and
the students that you graduate, have perpetuated a
gigantic fraud upon the world.
You claim to work in a pure science of formula and law, but
yours is a social science, with all the fragility and uncertainty
that this entails. We accuse you of pretending to be what you
are not.
You hide in your offices, protected by your jargon, while in the
real world forests vanish, species perish, human lives are ruined
and lost. We accuse you of gross negligence in the management
of our planetary household.
You have known since its inception that your measure of
economic progress, the Gross Domestic Product, is fundamentally
flawed and incomplete, and yet you have allowed it to become
a global standard, reported day by day in every form of media.
We accuse you of recklessly supporting the illusion of progress
at the expense of human and environmental health.
You have done great harm, but your time is coming to its
close. The revolution of economics has begun, as hopeful and
determined as any in our history. We will have our clash of
paradigms, we will have our moment of truth, and out of each
will come a new economics – open, holistic, human scale.
On campus after campus, we will chase you old goats out of
power. Then, in the months and years that follow, we will begin
the work of reprogramming the doomsday machine.
Sign the manifesto at
TruecostEconomics.Org
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 09:55 AM
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7. I love Adbusters!
I participate in Buy Nothing Day every year. (actually, today will be a buy nothing day for me as well...)
A former employer (at a retail store) was pretty annoyed one year when I posted Buy Nothing Day posters in the breakroom. Interestingly enough, they did not remove them.

Commonizm is the notion that we should ALL have a stake in the Commons. To accomplish this, the idea is to donate a portion of the profits from purchases from Commonizm Network companies into funds used to purchase portions of the Commons, to keep them out of corporate hands. It's admitting that there is a higher price to be paid for consumerism and willingly paying that price. We need to use the capitalist system to subvert and the capitalists. We need a Consumer Evolution, not a Worker's Revolution, and we need to redirect profit, rather than wealth.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 08:37 AM
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3. No unions means "free market" under monopoly corporations for labor ? n/t
n/t
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 09:06 AM
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4. Actually you wouldn't need to sell the water
Unless there were rules forbidding someone else from drinking it without paying you for it. Which is the reason corporations have so much power. They own life(land, water, food). The more we have to work for them to be able to pay for the things that we make and they sell us(how did we ever get into THAT kind of situation?), the more power they acquire. The more power they acquire, the more they write the rules for themselves(such as, you can't just choose to live on or near a beach, because the wealthy people made the rules, and they need their summer homes and various hotels and casinos).

It's actually a hell of a topic when you dig deeper into what you're bringing up. You could go in a lot of different ways with it.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 09:52 AM
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6. yes it is very complicated but some how the people just keep getting
the raw deal. Will there ever be a system where the people can live free and happy? I keep thinking there is a way and it's time is now because of all the harm, pollution etc.. that corporations are causing. With the new information age upon us I believe the time is at hand and the old men will have to give. They are becoming more and more irrelevant. After the Live Earth Concert I couldn't even turn on the old news shows as I could feel that no one was listening anymore. Like Bob Dylan's song "The Times they are a Changing."

Read my above "Barefoot Manifesto" from Ad Busters's magazine.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 04:33 PM
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10. A system? Systems create corporations
Require corporations really.

I'll wait and see about the information age. My guess is that all it will do is allow further control by corporations(or whatever centralized system you can think of). More and more of life is numbered, so more and more of life can be tracked, analyzed, synthesized, marketed, pinpointed, etc. The system only grows in scale, and actual human beings can only handle so much. There is only so much information a person can process. We can look up thousands and thousands of facts, but we don't really know what to do with a lot, much, or most of them. Individual people no longer matter much(because we're trying to find some perfect system for 6.5 billion+ people), that's why institutions such as corporations have as much power as they do.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:06 AM
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8. this is capitalism you fool!
corporations are people, except way more important
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 10:15 AM
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9. Yes I know they are people. Actually they are psychotic. People without a
conscience.
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