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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:11 PM
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Okay.I am officially disgusted that even on DO Ladybird Johnson's passing is hardly noteworthy.
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 04:12 PM by saracat
But people can spend hours ranting about a Fox News inspired fake conspiracy between our candidates.There hasn't even been outrage that the MSM isn't covering this memorial.This really torks me.We have had amongst our midst a truly great lady, a pioneer for Civil Rights and the Environment and her passing is unimportant.No wonder we can't make any progress.We don't give credit to those who sacrificed and really made a difference.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:13 PM
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1. DU is a really mixed bag when it comes to the deaths of famous people.
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 04:13 PM by Heaven and Earth
Quiet is probably not the best option, but there are worse possibilities that aren't unlikely around here.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:15 PM
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2. But this was one of our own, and a champion for those causes we claim to believe in.
Without Ladybird is is doubtful the Civil Rights Act would have passed . But whatever.Knowledge of history is scant on DU.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:17 PM
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5. That's probably it. I vaguely recall reading about Lady Bird
in Master of the Senate. It seems to me that Lyndon Johnson didn't treat her too well, and ordered her around a lot. Not a great way to remember her, but that's what I got.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:25 PM
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11. The threads don't get many responses. And why does a woman have to die to become a DU avatar?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:27 PM
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14. Good question.And there are no responses becuse obviously most don't care.
Helen Thompson will get more attention when she passes.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:38 PM
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27. On the upside, Helen Thomas will too. n/t
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:44 PM
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40. Damn good question, Mookie. There must be

100 sports logo avatars and I personally see no relation between sports and politics, except that Karl Rove and people with bags of money to burn parlayed *'s ownership of the Rangers having made him "known" in Texas into a governorship.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:32 PM
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22. DU is a mixed bag when it comes to women. Check the avatar selection it offers. nt
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:15 PM
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3. There are a number of Lady Bird threads n/t
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:17 PM
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6. Not like there was for Reagan and Ford! And No one is organizing an effort or requesting
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 04:32 PM by saracat
that the media cover this! And It is too late now!
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:20 PM
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8. Reagan is hated. Both were President.
Lady Bird, for all the good she has done, was First Lady.
It's not a formal office.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:24 PM
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10. Hillary seems to be using First Lady to her advantage. So the fact that Lady Bird wasn't
paid or wasn't formal trivializes her efforts? Sheesh.Jackie O got more credit and all she dis was redecorate the WH! And look pretty!
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:26 PM
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13. No, it doesn't, but not everyone has to agree with us
And Lady Bird was first lady, not President, which might well account for the lower number
of threads.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:29 PM
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17. I guess inspiring the creation of Head Start is considered just a 'women's issue'. nt
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:31 PM
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20. Exactly! As well as "Civil Rights and Enviornmentalism, but hey, they were only "wildflowers"!
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:54 PM
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59. The remark about Jackie K was very tacky
You evidently were not around in 1963.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 06:35 PM
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64. I was indeed.And if you mean how she conducted herself at the Funeral for JFK, that was
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 06:39 PM by saracat
to be expected.Nothing was tacky about my remark.Jackie's cheif contribution,as First Lady, WAS redecorating and looking pretty.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 06:51 PM
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67. Yeah, but I give Jackie some creds for yelling at MacNamara to get out of Vietnam. nt
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:29 PM
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16. Reagan and Ford were presidents!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:30 PM
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19. Well, MSM covered Jackie O nonstop!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:16 PM
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4. Well, I didn't ignore it.
I started the LBN thread when I heard the news.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:18 PM
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7. You are in the minority MaDem!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:21 PM
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9. And another thing, there are tons of posts on the greatest page about
the Kucinich reaction and the conspiracy and Ladybird doesn't even rate a mention!
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:26 PM
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12. Don't blame me, I paid attention to both.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:28 PM
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15. I watched the entire service on C-Span
as did several other DU'ers who posted here throughout the service.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:29 PM
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18. me too but I don't see much mention of the service or much response. Just saying.
I am glad some watched.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:40 PM
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33. I think it's because she's been out of the White House since 1969
And has lived a life out of the spotlight since LBJ's death 34 years ago. I think that DU has many members who aren't old enough to know much about her.
Hopefully there will be more coverage tomorrow when she is laid to rest at the ranch.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:41 PM
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35. I wouldn't count on it.Today would have been the day with all the notables.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:35 PM
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25. Same here. I loved her. A sweet, soft-spoken, but very intelligent women. Flowers on the High-ways.
They're keeping America beautiful, still. Godspeed.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:31 PM
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21. I haven't been online for days, was expecting lots here about Lady Bird.

But, hey, she was only a woman, saracat. :sarcasm:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:35 PM
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24. I don't think it is just that.I think many refuse to acknowledge or are uninterested
in the efforts of our great leaders, and she was one, elected or not! We would rather bitch about stupidity and that irks me.Tribute should be given to those who went before. JMHO.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:33 PM
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23. I personally think Lady Bird Johhson was one of our Best First Ladies
But I benefit from her efforts every day. When I see flowers along the highway, I think of Lady Bird Johnson. She was a fine woman, and being married to LBJ was no picnic, so she persevered. When her son-in-law was a Virginia Senator she could be counted on to support Virginia's Democratic party.

I'm sorry I don't make a tribute and blog to her earlier -not that many would read it, but I understand how you feel about this great lady who deserves a tribute.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:38 PM
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28. Are you old enough to remember when she proposed to plant flowers?
A lot of skeptics then, but a wonderful legacy.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:39 PM
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31. Barely but I think so.She was made fun of as I recall.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:44 PM
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39. Yes she was, but went forward with the idea anyway. eom
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:09 PM
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49. Fannie Flagg would get on the chat shows and do an EXCELLENT imitation of LadyBird. nt
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:40 PM
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32. I am old enough
to have an older brother who went to Vietnam and got his call up letter on December 15, 1966.

So there's a lot I remember about that administration.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:49 PM
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44. I know and "knew" many who went. Bad times and it lasted so long.
I went to many funerals during my high school years & after.


My BIL committed suicide several years after. He couldn't live with what he saw and was ordered to do.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:57 PM
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60. All of us who are old enough had brothers, friends, boyfriends, husbands,

cousins, fathers, uncles, at risk. Those were the days when you said goodbye and didn't know if a guy would come home in a box. Nobody was unaffected.

But Lady Bird Johnson did not start the war and she did a lot of good things on her own. Head Start was her project before highway beautification.

R.I.P., Lady Bird.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:37 PM
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26. well, i think her biggest sacrifice was being married to that
son of a bitch for all those years.

(sometimes if i can't think of anything nice to say--i don't say anything at all. but i decided to make an exception considering your post)
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:38 PM
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29. Well that SOB passed more great legislation than any other Prez.
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 04:39 PM by saracat
Those are the tradeoff, I imagine. No one else has managed to do squat since.Odd how that works.Maybe ya gotta be an SOB to make progress!
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monarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:39 PM
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30. I agree!
It was a wonderful funeral. Her kids and grandkids were terrific as was Bill Moyers. Did anyone notice how warmly the choir responded to Bill Clinton when he walked by. You have to admit that he is pure magic!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:40 PM
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34. And Caroline was the only "celeb " to thank the choir!
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:43 PM
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36. I saw the Clintons speaking to the choir as well.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:44 PM
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37. That could be.I didn't notice that.I only saw the SS direct the Clintons,
but that would have been like Bill!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:11 PM
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50. Now, SHE's the Kennedy who should be in politics. They say she's the smartest of the 2nd gen.
But she's still not very good at walking in women's shoes. I respect that.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:44 PM
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38. I'm just not that interested. Besides, for me, any accomplishements of the Johnson
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 04:45 PM by kenzee13
Administration are far over-shadowed by Vietnam. Sad, because the man could have have been remembered for the Great Society programs. But for me, the name is soaked with the blood of the Vietnamese and Americans who died.

I personally don't mind that others feel a need to eulogize when someone dies, but I don't, nor do I see why anyone should care if I don't.

edit for typo
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:48 PM
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43. It is really too bad you let the actions of the administration detract from Ladybirds personal
accomplishments.Just because she was married to a President you didn't like doesn't mean she shouldn'r t be paid tribute for her own efforts.It is a shame to diminish them that way.I hope I am never judged by my husbands accomplishments or his lacks.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:45 PM
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41. These days, if you can't argue about it or curse someone, it doesn't get posted.
If you want a lot of responses, say something mean about her. That will start a fight, and everyone will chime in.

To be honest, even though I live in Austin (where the story is of course very big), I don't know much about her role in the White House. The things I know about her personally are either about her support for wildflowers and highway beautification, her family radio station, and a rather unpleasant comment she made not too long ago about the social spending programs her husband started. I don't have the exact quote, but it was along the lines of "We overestimated the people we were trying to help, and their desire to work."

I never thought of her as a liberal champion, and knowing her radio station, I never really thought of her as a liberal. She was pleasant enough when it came to wildflowers, and seemed basically a nice person. She was a large figure here in central Texas, but mostly because of her Wildflower Center, and her marriage to LBJ. If she played a great role in Civil Rights and the environment (aside from wildflowers), I'm just ignorant of the story. All I've heard her praised for were "beautification programs."

Maybe you could start a thread listing her accomplishments instead of lamenting the lack of awareness of her? That might inspire more informed comments. I just don't much about her, and I'm a history-minded person who lives near where she did.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:50 PM
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45. Listen to Bill Moyers and the rweply of her eulogy on CSPAN. He does a better
job than I could hope to.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:12 PM
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52. Bill Moyers was eloquent and heartfelt.I learned a great deal from his eulogy.
I never knew her role in starting and nurturing Head Start, nor her courage in campaigning throughout the South when her husband was being reviled as a "nigger-lover".

In her long widowhood she was much more than just another wealthy grandmother who doted on her descendents.

Lady Bird Johnson deserves to join the pantheon of great First Ladies, those who were equal partners in their marriages to US presidents and who made contributions of their own.

Rest in Peace, Lady Bird. Thank you for your service to our nation.

Hekate

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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:46 PM
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42. Gawd all fucking mighty
I am incredibly disgusted too. Especially that CNN decides to rerun a weeks old program on
bad food. Mostly because I am so torked at CNN right now anyway. I'm very bitter about
the constant insults, slanders and goddamn lies to wards dems and their complete failure to
cover her death this week and now on a slow news day can't even bring themselves to cover this
event.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:50 PM
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46. And they inserted a Bush Broadcast to replace it when they had tech difficulties.
Talk about insult!
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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:59 PM
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47. Thank You
That's what I'm talking about. May these media whores spend all of eternity in Purgatory
watching reruns of their own ass kissing shows.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:12 PM
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51. Pearl, this is going to sound goofy, but....
wouldn't it have been kind of cool if Yoko had been there?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:16 PM
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53. OT I dunno Mookie.I personally can' t stand Yoko After she broke up John's marriage
and deprived Julian of his fathers inheritance, I have no respect for her. I don't think she has enough dignity or moral imperative to attend such a great ladys memorial.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 06:50 PM
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66. I see where you're coming from, but...
and I really like Cynthia Lennon, but Yoko is not only an integral aspect of the 60s - as was Lady Bird - but Yoko did and said all the right things after John was killed. Her comments prevented a lot of vandalism and anger.

If people had taken Lady Bird's and John's messages to heart more quickly, the 60s and 70s might not have been so bad.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 08:26 PM
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68. Well, that might be so but it was at that same time that Yoko was vicious to Julian.
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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:17 PM
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54. Yes indeed
We need Yoko right now.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:03 PM
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48. Unfortunately, some of us Vietnam veterans remember SeaLand Trucking and Formost Milk.
The transportation contracts went to SeaLand and the reconstituted milk bore the Formost label. Lady Bird held stock in both companies. Another Texas-MIC piggy bank operation.
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:23 PM
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55. What? She died?
When? Guess Canadians are too busy buzzing about Conrad Black's conviction. DANG! I liked her!
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:26 PM
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56. She's on the front page of the NY Times and...
I've been listening to accounts and obits on NPR since shortly after she died. I'm not sure what other parts of the MSM have been ignoring her.

Frankly, I don't really care much if DU thinks, say, a Senator's diaper 7 years ago is more important-- DU isn't the whole world. Not even a small part of the real world.

DU has its place, but it's not always a good place.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:44 PM
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57. There was a Senator in diapers 7 years ago? Would he

have been the guy from LA playing with call girls? (I've been away for a couple of days and this hasn't come up on CNN for some reason.) :evilgrin:
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:50 PM
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58. Yeah, Vitter-- something about him..
paying extra if she changed his diaper. Some guys get kinky in whorehouses-- who'd ever a' thunk that?

But, all this seems to have happened years ago and the only thing really unusual about the scandal is a Republican having sex with an adult woman.





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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 06:07 PM
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61. The GOP brays about moral values but they are

usually the ones caught doing the kinkiest things. I can't remember a Dem ever having to pay for sex, unless Mills was paying the stripper Fanne Fox when they fell in the Potomac eons ago.

So does it look like he'll lose his seat? Another Dem senator would be very nice to have.

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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 06:18 PM
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63. He might be embarrased into resigning...
seems there's a lot of discussion down there about how a Demcratic governor will replace a Republican Senator if he steps down. Very dicey at the moment.

Whoever takes over, probably won't talk too much about "values" for a while.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 06:09 PM
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62. Good, I'm off to read the Times. Anyone know if/when C-SPAN will
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 06:10 PM by DemBones DemBones

show the funeral again? We've had house guests so I missed it.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 06:37 PM
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65. Yes12 AM Eastern.
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