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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 03:57 PM Original message |
Obama discusses local gun violence and the NRA |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. The NRA attacks us anyway |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. Gobama! |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. Obama still doesn't understand, RKBA is about self-defense not hunting. Moreover AK-47s are already |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:07 PM Original message |
yet, they still get on the streets. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. And so do illegal drugs. We need aggressive enforcement of existing laws and max sentences. n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
58. Oh, yeah |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Have a nice day. n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Why, I'm having a WONDERFUL day |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #58 |
99. why you always use profanity in every post? |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
98. You are so right ...Jody |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. It most likely was not a real one |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I understand and if so it just shows Obama's abysmal ignorance about firearms. n/t |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. His high school had a rifle team, offered riflery as PE, and hosted a JROTC unit |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. He probably did. But his voting bloc eats this stuff up. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
41. No, what is on the streets are civvie-legal varients |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
52. Like pot.. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
59. Uh Oh Maximum |
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LBJDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
72. Took the words right out of my mouth |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 06:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
106. The gun lobby wants thousands of laws with *NONE* of them being effective. |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. He's brave to take on the TinyPenisBigTruck NRA loons. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. AMEN! |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Sigmund Freud said " A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity " n/t |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
88. Freud said that because he had a 2-inch dick. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. As a normal gun owner myself, |
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MiserableFailure (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. re-read his post ben |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:13 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Since he referred to Obama's "taking on" a subset of gun owners, |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:31 AM Response to Reply #37 |
91. Speaking as one of the "non-gunnies" |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. No denigration meant at all. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. Time to stop tippy-toeing around people who don't vote for us anyway |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Dem platform says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms, and we will |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. 50% of gun owners are Dems and indies... |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. There's a difference between gun owners |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Agreed. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
45. Very true |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
60. Right |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:55 AM Response to Reply #60 |
95. And even that would not solve anything |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 04:53 AM Response to Reply #18 |
103. Do you have a source for that claim? |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
9. Excellent, reminds me of what Wes Clark said about assault weapons. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Except the AWB did not ban assualt weapons, it banned semi autos that looked *bad* |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
61. You're right |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. Pistols are the embodiement of self defense |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. You really don't get it, do you? |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. I do get it, you want to disarm the defenseless |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. The military doesn't use non-automatic carbines like the "ban" covered... |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
15. Some more from the speech |
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bling bling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
66. That is a powerful statement. And thought-provoking, as he always seems to be. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
17. According to the FBI, Illinois had 448 murders in 2005... |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
19. Idiot. This will haunt him, big time, in the general, if he makes it there. (nt) |
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Grandrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Name calling is totally unnecessary! |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Oh, so you think the NRA is going to endorse Edwards? |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. No. We don't need an endorsement. We only need parity. (nt) |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Edwards has recently dropped the "assault weapon" bait-and-switch. |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Are you saying he no longer supports renewing it? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. The last speech he gave in which he mentioned the gun issue, |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 05:00 AM Response to Reply #29 |
105. There was no "bait-and-switch" concerning assault weapons. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. That idiot is polling much better and has a lot more cash than some other dude... |
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Midwestern Democrat (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
43. Agreed - it's as if he's never heard about 1994. (NT) |
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Yavapai (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
25. My 3 cents worth (adjusted for inflation). |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. So you are NOT a Democrat? Mmmm.... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. "With guns I have a chance to defend myself." |
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MaineProgressive (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:38 AM Response to Reply #31 |
53. Really? |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
54. So where in anyone's speeches does it say that the Dems will |
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MaineProgressive (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Here's a quote... |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. One quote from Dianne Feinstein over ten years ago |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
62. Sounds like the odds against you |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
27. too many dems have cowered from the nra lately. Bravo to Obama |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
30. Good!! |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
32. Since His Speech at Kerry's Nomination, He's Reminded Us Why |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Except it was the triangulators (the DLC) that pushed for rifle bans in the '90s. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. This might interest you then... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Pegged the Dems pretty good. But why not the Repubs? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:36 AM Response to Reply #57 |
92. On this issue... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. The operative word |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:46 AM Response to Reply #63 |
93. I guess Bill Clinton is among the most fanatic of gun nuts, then |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
35. He is defintely getting more polished as the campaign goes along. I like what I see. nt |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
36. More than a majority of the country is for stricter gun control according to recent polls. nm |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Hmmm...and those numbers are sliding... |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I think there is a difference between 'banning' rifles and 'tougher' gun control. nm |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I agree with that too. But if "tougher gun control" includes |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. Right.... |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Let me guess... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Nope |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Wrong |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. So, running out of any real arguments |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. No, I said you were supporting a position that is historically racist |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:30 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Racist |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Yes gun control is fundementaly racist historically and in its modern impacts as well |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #36 |
48. And 50% think Saddam attacked NYC, and 25% expect Jesus this calender year |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #36 |
50. It doesn't matter how many people support stricter gun control... |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #50 |
90. And Tom Bradley the Govenorship of California |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
47. More gun control? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
65. "Handguns are already completely banned in Chicago" |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. how about some *honest* stats to back up your statements |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
71. An end to the phony "war on drugs" |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. An end to calls for additional gun controls would be preferable |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. So do you want the phony "war on drugs" to continue |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Its not the war on drugs its the lack of economic equity |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Yep |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. your shallowness on the economic issues that impact the "war zone" as you call it |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Your shallowness about the actual impact |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. I 100% agree with you on ending the War on Non-Approved Herbs... |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Actually I have not addressed the war on drugs |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
85. I'm with Obama on this a thousand percent. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
86. meanwhile a nut in Colorado thinks he can bring a gun to the Capitol |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 04:58 AM Response to Reply #86 |
104. Watch ben spin this to declare that he had the right to walk into the governor's office with a gun. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
94. Um, the assault weapons ban is a crock. |
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Nucular Terrorist (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #94 |
102. I take it you don't follow American politics? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 07:16 AM Response to Reply #102 |
107. To quote Mencken, |
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