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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:30 PM
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Another Anti-Clinton Myth Bites The Dust: Obama Has Outspent Clinton on Polling 3 to 1
WASHINGTON—Democratic White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) outspent chief rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) on polling and research by almost three to one during the last three months, according to the latest financial disclosure reports filed on Sunday...

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/07/sweet_blog_scoop_obama_outspen.html
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:33 PM
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1. Nice try. When you include her debt, Hillary has spent more n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:35 PM
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2. Nice spin. It MAY be more including her debt and some of that MAY be for direct mail services
:)
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:36 PM
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3. That would depend upon what her debt was for, wouldn't it?
"But the firm is also owed $421,873.65 --though some of that may be for direct mail services, not polls."

But I think the OP is more about deflating the myth that Clinton is the only poll reliant candidate.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:45 PM
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6. Event if all that money went to polling Obama would still be on par with her in polling
We don't know what the debt is for. What we do know, even if every penny was due for polling, Obama has spent as much on polling as HRC. The OP is right. Another myth bites the dust.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:40 PM
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4. I honestly don't see why polling expenses matters either way
I don't care if Clinton or OBama spent more.

:shrug:

just another brick to throw at each other, I guess. When do you start discussing actual issues?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:44 PM
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5. because the charge thrown at Clinton by "progressives" is...
...Clinton relies to heavily on polling and focus groups.

Remember that small list I started today?

To the average Obama fan on DU, "corporatism" was bad UNTIL Obama did it, then it was justified.
Merit pay for teachers was bad UNTIL Obama came out for it, then it was justified. Etc.

Now... add one more.

Relying on polling and focus groups was BAD until Obama started spending MORE on it, now it doesn't matter.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:02 PM
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7. hey, good luck with that. surround yourself in spiteful vitriol and
welcome to my ignore list.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:13 PM
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8. LOL! THANK YOU for putting me on your ignore list.
:crazy::crazy::crazy:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:22 PM
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12. hey, no problem. it benefits both of us.
I don't have to listen to your vindictive posts and you don't have to listen to me criticize them. It's a win/win.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:40 PM
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13. LOL! I guess it didn't take the first time.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:14 PM
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9. DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH!!! (n/t)
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:34 PM
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10. It is okay to poll. It is not okay to push poll There is a difference
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:41 PM
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11. we're not discussing push polling
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:50 PM
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19. That is what she is doing. We have seen complaints about her
push polling.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:51 PM
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20. link?
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:44 PM
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14. How do u know what the polling was on? Unknown candidate would likely spend $ on name recog. polling
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 07:46 PM by TeamJordan23
and research.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:48 PM
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16. He isn't unknown. He has gotten a ton of CMSM coverage
His name ID is on par with the 2004 VP nominee's.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:52 PM
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21. I don't think he was at this level 3-4 months ago. nm
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:54 PM
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26. He was. The guy has been hyped by the media since the summer of 2004
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 07:54 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
He was on the cover of Newsweek before he had done anything as a senator in Jan. of 2005... his name ID does not match HRC but it is on par or better than anyone this side of HRC or Ghouliani.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:47 PM
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15. Obama outspending Clinton: your point is???????
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:49 PM
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17. Its the hypocrisy...
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:49 PM
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18. what hypocracy??? still swimming in your resentment I see
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:52 PM
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22. this
To the average Obama fan on DU, "corporatism" was bad UNTIL Obama did it, then it was justified.
Merit pay for teachers was bad UNTIL Obama came out for it, then it was justified. Etc.

Now... add one more.

Relying on polling and focus groups was BAD until Obama started spending MORE on it, now it doesn't matter.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:55 PM
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27. Exactly--the guy is beating even the DLC's HRC and Republicans on Wall Street
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 07:55 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
Suddenly support from Wall Street is not a sign of being a "corporate whore" but a popular appeal. :rofl:
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:53 PM
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23. The hypocrisy of constantly criticizing HRC for being poll-driven
And then suddenly shifting gears and having no problem with heavy reliance on polls now that Obama is outspending her 3-to-1 on polling.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:53 PM
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24. How do u know what the polling and research was on? nm
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:58 PM
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29. What do candidates poll about? Where do you think BO got "new kind of politics" and "unity" from?
He must have seen the same polling data Rove saw when he used "unity" and "changing the tone in Washington" in 2000. ;)
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:00 PM
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31. What a lame assertion. Maybe your candidate should be doing more polling so he can catch up. nm
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:08 PM
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32. What do candidates poll about?
More hypocrisy... See, when it comes to Edwards polling suddenly matters because Obama is about 10 points ahead of him. However, when Obama is 15+ points behind HRC the polls mean nothing. :crazy:
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:43 PM
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36. Maybe polls about limiting the democratic process by excluding candidates from debates? nm
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:26 PM
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34. There are different ways to use polls.
Example: polls taken early during the 1960 campaign told JFK that his religion was a major problem. Now, he didn't take that information and decide to convert. He took that information and made arrangements to give speeches asserting that his Catholic faith did not disqualify him from the Presidency.


If a Candidate runs on "A", he or she needs to know if the people associate him or her with "A". If the polls show that people are hearing "B", then the candidate must adjust the message to make sure "A" gets across to the voters. .

If a candidate uses polls to determine that people prefer "X" over "Y", and proceeds to shift position from "X" to "Y", then that is different.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:31 PM
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35. totally agree. polling & research can be done on race, healthcare, religion, foreign policy, etc.
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 08:32 PM by TeamJordan23
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:54 PM
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25. Not poll driven. Just robotized. wind her up and Penn tells her what to say
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:56 PM
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28. LOL! This is exactly what we are talking about
:rofl:

The same can be said about Obama, Axleroad, and his pollsters.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:08 PM
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33. Who is a cold robot? nt
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