Here's proof that Hillary won the debate

I signed up with the GOP email just to keep an eye on them.
Lo and behold - looky what they just sent out:

STOP HILLARY

The Hillary Clinton fundraising juggernaut keeps on rolling.

Through the first six months of the year, Hillary has raised a whopping $63 million. Unfortunately, that's just the start. She is expected to raise more than $100 million before the end of 2007.

Hillary and her campaign manager, former Democrat Party chief Terry McAuliffe, are hoping her massive haul of campaign cash will pave the way to her coronation as the Democrat presidential nominee and provide her with early money to attack our GOP presidential candidates.

, if we are to stop Bill and Hillary from returning to the White House, we must act now. As the only GOP organization allowed by federal law to directly support our presidential nominee, the Republican National Committee is leading the drive to keep the Clintons from another extended stay at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Please help the RNC counter Hillary's growing war chest by making a secure online contribution of $1,000, $500, $100, $50 or $25 today to support our eventual Republican presidential nominee.

We must prepare for the 2008 presidential election now. Back in 1995 -- 16 months before he was re-elected -- Bill Clinton began spending $85 million on negative ads aimed at the GOP and our eventual presidential nominee, Bob Dole. Hillary wants to follow the same playbook.

Hillary is criss-crossing the country raising tens of millions of dollars from Hollywood elites, Big Labor, and trial lawyers. She's dispatched her husband, the Fundraiser-in-Chief, to headline events and remind liberals of the "Two-for-One" package you get if the Clintons are in the White House.

And you know what that would mean:

The return of Hillary-Care -- the one-size-fits-all health care system Hillary tried to force through in 1993 that would put bureaucrats in Washington in charge of your health care choices instead of your doctor.
Higher taxes for all Americans to pay for her big government plans. As Hillary said earlier this year on the campaign trail, "Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the right government policies."
The appointment of more liberal judges and the further expansion of the federal government into your daily life.
Jennifer, we cannot allow a return of the big government, high taxes, anything goes style of governing that Hillary Clinton embodies.

The RNC must raise the funds now to support our eventual nominee if we are to compete with the Clinton/liberal special interest money machine. That's why today I'm turning to our Party's top supporters -- Sustaining Members like you -- once again. Please click here to help stop Hillary.

Electing a new Republican president and keeping Bill and Hillary from a return stay at the White House begins with you, Jennifer. Please make a secure online contribution of $1,000, $500, $100, $50 or $25 to support the RNC's efforts today.

The $63 million Hillary now has for her presidential campaign is just the tip of the iceberg. Your immediate support is crucial to countering the Clinton money machine. Thank you.

Best Wishes,


Robert M. "Mike" Duncan
Chairman, Republican National Committee
P.S. , you can be certain Bill and Hillary will be hitting up their liberal special interest allies for tens of millions more as the primaries near. The RNC is counting on your continuing generous support to help us lay the foundation for electing a new Republican president in 2008. Your donation of $1,000, $500, $100, $50 or $25 is vital to our cause. Thank you.

the GOP nervous, doesn't she?

is very concerned with her winning the nomination.

immersed, kool-aid in the IV, arm-chair warrior, neo-con, bush-can-do-no-wrong, xenophobic, losers you can possibly imagine and Hil scares the bleeding crap out of them.
Just the thought of her as President makes their lower lip tremble. I'm not sure what exactly it is, but I'm kind of scared that it's because she's a woman...

The GOP would like nothing more than to run against Hillary. They especially like that fact that she's such a money-spinner for them.

fundraising, it should be Obama's.

At this point, she's a better fundraiser than gay marriage

Of course they try every scare tactic but it is not working,
except on some dems who always fall for their nonsense.

No, I don't think I did. Only that fear of Hillary can still get those 24-percenters to reach for their wallets.

They're watching the fundraising numbers and getting worried. The Republicans are just not keeping up like they thought they would. And their personal attack machine has been after her for 15 years with not much return on the investment.

Why tip your hand early? They want to look like the underdogs so that they can roll out the persecution ads when it really starts to count.

I think we'll see unfreakin real money showing up when they choose their candidate. Why spend money attacking your own party members when you can save it and destroy the opponent?

In fact, that's the whole reason I added myself to their email list.

My local reps are so red that I would end up going to prison after some of the emails that they send out.

I know people here that have subscribed for the same reason, and just hearing the crap they come up with makes me think violent thoughts.

If it ended up in my inbox too frequently, I'd end up running amok.

Hands-down. Barring the usual illegal bullshit with voter fraud, we will see a huge democratic sweep again, including the White House.

Hillary just happens to be herself, and thus a good target for GOP fundraising.

Says a lot about Republicans that, for they most part, they don't see Hillary as anything more than a possession and puppet of Bill.

Hillary Clinton is well known and very hated in the Republic Party.

"Hillary and her campaign manager, former Democrat Party chief Terry McAuliffe, are hoping her massive haul of campaign cash will pave the way to her coronation as the Democrat presidential nominee and provide her with early money to attack our GOP presidential candidates."

The Clintons believe in attacking Republicans early and often, and countering every charge immediately. We haven't seen that since 96.

Clinton's campaign manager. Where's that quote from?

Patti Solis Doyle is the campaign manager.

She is their lightening rod.

Pirhana should know better than posting shitty thread titles and GOP garabage like that..

they're gonna go all-out balls-to-the-walls against ANY candidate we put up?

Clinton's been on the receiving end of their crap for 15 years - they can't hurt her anymore. But the others? Just wait and see. Who ever would've imagined they'd attack John Kerry for his wartime record?! They're shameless, and they'll level everything against whoever the eventual nominee is.

Obama is the best bet to appeal across party lines, and he would be a real uniter.

PS: I support Dennis Kucinich.

everytime they make their antiwar non-violence presence known at Hillary's public gatherings.

You object to her wearing pink?

Hillaryphobia's a helluva drug.

They don't own the color pink! Don't be ridiculous.

It is about time people realize that.

is falling apart.

What a sickening, wussy attitude

...Senator Clinton is the nominee.

Boiled down, they know the Repugs are in deep shit....

...UNLESS...

If they have two Clintons to vote against, not only will the Repugs come out in droves to vote against them BUT ALSO will come out and vote where they would otherwise sit out the race. So what that means is that they would even vote for Repugs for the war and Bush policies they can't stand while they are at the polls trying to stop the Clinton 2.0 Machine.

A person I work with who knows all the RNC muckety-mucks told me so. I certainly believe him. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a goddamn meathead.

Why? Because I can't see the Republican putting ANYBODY up that a Democrat would vote for. As a matter of fact, they might putup someone so egregious that the only other choice is not voting. While some may do that, I think most will not. Imagine not voting for Humphrey in 1968 against Nixon, even if you couldn't stand it that Humphrey was LBJ's lackey. My husband remembers having to have several drinks before he could muster going to the polls and voting for Humphrey, he was such an antiwar liberal.

I don't know why they have this obsessive hatred of her, but they do, and they use it to raise money.

I don't know if you can deduce from that that she won the debate, or just that she playing her usual role as bogeyman.

Another thread that turns into anti-Hillary. I don't know if that was the intent in the beginning but it sure is going that way.

Back to the General board I go.

CNN reporting for hours after that Obama won? I guess since she's inevitable, her supporters couldn't possibly think otherwise. I'm sure by this morning all the polls and news channels will be sure to tell us she won. Doesn't take long for the spin cycle to start.

it's proof she's the one they will use to rile their base.

The difference may be too subtle for some here, but Mrs. Clinton is the Republican's favorite "choice" because with her as our candidate they will use her like a bludgeon to drive Republicans with Bush fatigue to the polls in droves.

TC

Driving their base isn't driving all the Republicans. The Clinton hating base has to be pretty low, like Bush's war approval rating, what is it, 24% So even if you throw in a few more Republicans for good measure, you don't know how the Olympia Snowe Republicans are going to go, or those of any of the other antiwar Republicans.

I think the key will be the Independents, IMHO. And THAT is anybody's guess...

pulling in voters for the general is flowing flawlessly

The evil Liberal = higher taxes, big government, Hollywood elite, substandard health care, organized labor and money-hungry lawyers. And their dumb-ass base falls for it every time. They probably fork up more campaign contributions than they would ever have to pay to implement a decent healthcare system.

Who won the debate?

31% Obama
24% Clinton
14% Edwards
13% Not Sure
6% Biden
4% Richardson
3% Kucinich
2% Dodd
2% Gravel


Who lost the debate?

20% Not Sure
17% Gravel
12% Clinton
10% Kucinich
9% Dodd
9% Obama
9% Richardson
8% Biden
5% Edwards

http://www.wyff4.com/politics/13208381/detail.html

The Republicans will say and do anything to bring her down. They did it too Kerry, and they don't even hate him. It will be a long and painful year if she is nominated.

Pathetic, and sad to say...typical

primarily for that very reason.

:-) MKJ

that Hillary Clinton is a great fundraising tool of the Republican Party. Just the name Clinton causes Repubs to open their pocketbooks.

That being said, I thought she was great in the debate and while I am leaning otherwise in the primary (so far) I will happily support her should she be the candidate.

"The appointment of more liberal judges and the further expansion of the federal government into your daily life."

What the hell do they mean by this?!?

Nevermind the wiretapping...

The return of Hillary-Care -- the one-size-fits-all health care system Hillary tried to force through in 1993 that would put bureaucrats in Washington in charge of your health care choices instead of your doctor.

Our doctors already aren't in charge, the HMOs are.

Higher taxes for all Americans to pay for her big government plans. As Hillary said earlier this year on the campaign trail, "Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the right government policies."

See...a 1% increase on a low income person making 20,000 a year hurts much less than on someone making 200,000 a year.


Jennifer, we cannot allow a return of the big government, high taxes, anything goes style of governing that Hillary Clinton embodies.

This is really really funny given the present administration!

I've talked with Republicans and namely one who has a lot of influence/cred with the RNC and the Repugs see the opportunity of running against TWO Clintons has the best mobilizing incentive for Republicans to get out the vote...and not only to vote against the Clintons but to vote for Republicans they would otherwise sit out and not vote for.

What this boils down to is that Republicans that otherwise would not even vote in 2008 WOULD VOTE in overwhelming numbers if they have two Clintons to vote against. Forget RNC "incentives" like "gay marriage" amendments, abortion limitation legislation, etc. For them, seeing the Clintons return to the White House is more than enough reason for them to put fights in races that otherwise were left for dead.

Not only would we lose the White House, but races where Democrats were assumed to win would be a contest again.

That is priceless, like anyone even with insurance has any real choice anyway. We get one or two weeks a year to "enroll" in our choice of insurance, which there may only be one or two that is even worth looking at, then the rest is completely up to the insurance companies and they can just decide whenever they want to not pay for your health care. No protection for that at all. Sure you can sue them but it doesn't work so well if you are dead.

I guess the ten percenters believe this rubbish, sucks to be them.