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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:34 AM
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I think John Edwards won the Debate. My Debate Summary :
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 01:54 AM by saracat
He was the most compelling and passionate about healthcare.You could really understand why juries were entranced by him.Obama was cool and quick witted.Biden and Gravel were aggresive.DK was good and presented his points well. Richardson still seems to have trouble engaging but he had a nice moment of humour at the end.Hillary was competantbut stiff.She doesn't project any passion or caring.I don't think she cares about people.She just doesn't make me believe she does.John Edwards seemed to be the only candidate who "gets it" about true compassion.ButI was proud of all our field.They all make the GOP look like cardboard cutouts! Opinions please?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:01 AM
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1. guess Hil will have to start making jokes about being as stilff as a board (I recall Gore
got the same complaints)
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:03 AM
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3. Very true.But the difference is MSM loves her and didn't like Gore.
Media says she was wonderful! And she is competant just not warm and fuzzy.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:02 AM
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2. Yes, I was proud of all of them
I would be happy to vote for any of them up there, except maybe Gravel. Gravel, I might have to hold my nose for, but he's better than any repub.

zalinda
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:03 AM
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4. Yep.I'd vote for any of them! Even Gravel!
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:03 AM
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5. Yea, Hillary came off as cold but she's talented and showed it. Our candidates are a lot
more exciting than the rethugs though. We got a good lineup and it was an entertaining debate. I feel bad for those that have to sit through the republican one with McCain and Brownboack squaring off.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:07 AM
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6. Now that is a scary thought! But the GOP deserve the field they have!
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 02:07 AM by saracat
It reminds me of a horror movie!
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:00 AM
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7. Wow, must've been a different experience watching it.

I didn't watch the debate, just read the transcripts and saw the usual John Edwards' shine through.. saying absolutely nothing of substance

Edwards, "They are not going to give away their power. The only way that they are going to give away their power is if we take it away from them."

Cute line... how do you do it?

"And I have been standing up to these people my entire life. I have been fighting them my entire life in court rooms -- and beating them.

If you want real change, you need somebody who's taking these people on and beating them..."

One problem, John, you failed to do this when you were actually IN THE SENATE. In fact, he caved repeatedly.

The end of his next answer, "What we need is somebody who will take these people on, these big banks, these mortgage companies, big insurance companies, big drug companies. That's the only way we're going to bring about change. And I will do that as president."

How, John? Whatever, that seems to be his entire campaign, all flash, no substance.


I only read 2 candidates who actually had SOME substance to their answers... Kucinich and Obama (but only a little from Obama)

Reading this debate was so depressing... The only candidate I would really passionately support won't win and there is only 1 other one I would even consider voting for in the general election and I don't think he can win, but at least I could cast a vote for him.


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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:27 PM
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23. I had the exact same take on Edwards
The strong support for Edwards in this forum is maddening. I really can't understand it.

I also see all flash and all substance also. You put it very well, but why don't people see this?

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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:39 PM
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24. People love big ideas
That is what has kept bush's elections close enough for him to steal. He had "big ideas" in 2004 he wanted to bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. people loved the "big idea" of that. The fact that his plan was insane didn't even matter.

Edwards wants to "eliminate poverty". It is a "big idea", but there is no substance behind it, because he doesn't have a practical plan to do it.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:43 PM
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25. You are right. There is no substance behind Edwards' call to eliminate poverty

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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:49 PM
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27. No SUBSTANCE
Lots of big ideas...

0 realistic approach.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:46 PM
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26. You can't criticize Edwards and then praise Obama for doing exactly the same thing
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 02:46 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
Both repeatedly railed against special interests, insurance companies, etc. and presented themselves as agents of change who can stand up to them (without presenting any details of how they were going to do it during their 30 seconds). You criticize Edwards for doing this yet say Obama showed substance. You can't have it both ways.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:07 AM
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8. I was really pleased with all of them.
Its hard to make calls when I am so blinded by the stupidity of Bush that I can barely tell them apart. But it comes down to what I like and what I think other Americans will like, and the latter can be dangerously arrogant to try to decide. In my own opinion I think Gore won the debate ;) but was pretty impressed with Obama and Richardson (who I didn't like before) Kucinich pleased me as well.
As far as what I think people will like, its Hillary hands down, with Obama in second. She just had it together, a lot of integrity, a sense that she's solid, safe, no surprises.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:19 AM
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9. I believe your absolutely correct...he's really a real guy & great progressive Dem.
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 03:22 AM by GreenTea
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:04 AM
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10. Hillary is the most savvy of the bunch. Her numbers keep going up
because she is running for the general and not just the primary.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:23 AM
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11.  She is capable but could use some warmth.She has no passion and
seems not to really "care". I wonder if this is how she expresses nerves? CNN did a peice on the body language of the candidates and said she was "calm' and the guys were nervous but a lack of emotion can also be masking nervousness.She is just not inspirational but she is an intelligent "savvy" woman.Unfortunately she comes across too slick , like her motives are only "political".JMHO.
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:43 AM
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13. Warmth
I don't get the 'warmth' bit. What does that mean? Do the male candidates have 'warmth'? What is it? Is it kind of like someone you'd like to have a beer with?

I just want someone who will heal the country and make decisions for the good of the country, not necessarily the party, and certainly not the corporations.
Hillary appears to be the smartest of the bunch, or the most savvy. I'd vote for any one of them. Even Gravel, although I think his answers are more about whacking the others than they are about his own plans.
Obama strays a bit from direct answers. He's appears to be a good guy. Maybe a little unsure. I like Biden's manner. Kuchinich says all the right things as far as I'm concerned. Richardson would be a great president, too. Dodd certainly has the experience. If the US voters weren't all about charisma he'd be an excellent choice. Yes, I'd vote happily for any one of them.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:18 AM
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28. Warmth equates to caring about people
I don't believe Hillary cares one whit about people but only her political aspirations (ie power).

Does that help?
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:37 AM
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12. It looked like he was either going to cry or beat the crap out of...
someone. When he talked about the man with the untreated cleft palate that because of no health care had the man unable to talk for 50 years.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:43 AM
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14. I agree
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:44 AM
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15. I agree as well
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:45 AM
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16. It was Edwards' best performance. His passion contrasts well with the automaton Hillary Clinton.
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 10:47 AM by flpoljunkie
Hillary is, as always, well prepared--but comes across as programmed and passionless. The head nodding gets really old, as well--let alone the hard-edged, flat speaking voice.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:48 AM
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17. Four have the mental agility to be president, IMO
They would be Edwards, Clinton, Obama, and Biden. But that's only one way to measure them. I don't trust Clinton--she doesn't seem to have enough heart. I do think the other three do.

For me a candidate has to have brains, heart and courage. Edwards, Obama and Biden have these. But I'd still take Gore or Kerry over any of them!
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:00 AM
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18. Edwards has demonstrated how he can make lemonade
from lemons.

The "Hair" video which was the best; his answer about Elizabeth's comments.

He knows how to handle sticky, perhaps embarrassing situations. When they first discovered that Elizabeth's cancer is back - he said that he did not want any support based on pity.

And yesterday he was strong and convincing and passionate about not wanting votes for being the "leading white" - because others do not want to vote for a woman or for a black.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:09 AM
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19. I read the transcript ... but is there a link to video of his comments on the cleft palate patient?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:02 PM
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22. Here you go
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 01:02 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
This has 90% of it. It does not have him saying something to the effect of "we should be outraged by these stories" at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE8-G16Df1A&mode=user&search=
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:56 AM
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29. ohhh - thank you!
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gnvresident Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:55 AM
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20. What matters? John knows.
I think we all need to give John Edwards support so he can lead this country where we need to go. We as a nation are suffering and John sees that. He cares about that. He doesn't want us to feel like we are alone. He knows what the important issues are and he is willing to address all questions about them. He has made himself available via the internet, phone conversations, etc. If you want to reach John Edwards just go to www.JohnEdwards.com. His hair video only proves he knows how to handle himself. What matters? John Edwards knows what matters.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:01 PM
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21. I agree, and good OP. Thanks for posting! nt
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