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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:05 PM
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Andrew Sullivan: Hillary Wins Again


Her response to the dynastic question - a difficult one - was the first time she has ever brought a smile to my lips. She's so much better a debater and performer than she used to be. You know how much I hate to say this: but she destroyed the opposition tonight: out-classing it, out-debating it, and avoiding the usual pitfalls. I wish it weren't so, but it's what I saw. If she keeps this up, it's hers.


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/07/hillary-wins-ag.html
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:09 PM
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1. Five sentences. Not much of a blog post by Sully...eom
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:12 PM
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2. I can't stand him.
I'm not sure why people think his opinion matters.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:18 PM
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4. Links to this Steven White a-hole complaining about Edwards' haircut
Makes me wonder why conservatives even get up in the morning.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:31 PM
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6. Life gives them grist for their complaint mill?
:shrug: :D
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:26 PM
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5. If Manson sent out a memo praising Hillary it would get posted here within minutes.
I'm not sure if I'm joking or not,and that's the scary part.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:47 PM
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7. Yeah funny thing is...Andrew Sullivan is loved around here..
When he is writing in opposition to the war...don't see any comparisons of him to Manson then...

Guess these people are only credible when taking a position popular here eh?...
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:00 PM
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8. Yeah, I don't get that either.
If you say these people are credible when they are speaking in favor of your interests, you can't then say - when they are speaking in opposition to your interests - that they are loony unless something specific has changed (other than the underlying message).

Let's not legitimize pukes here, people. :D
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:17 PM
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9. Seems that way.
Do you agree with him all the time,none of the time,or,like those blasted pesky DUers,only when he writes something that you like and agree with,such as this piece here?

Are you yourself consistent in what you like from him and what you don't like from him? DId you agree with him on everything before this piece on Hillary? If not,and I honestly hope that isn't the case because that would just be scary,isn't that doing the very same thing you're talking about?

Guess these people are only credible when taking a position popular here eh?

You could,I suppose,argue that popular doesn't equal right,which I'd agree with,but if his "popular" opinion is wrong,couldn't that also mean his "unpopular" ones are as well.







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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:25 PM
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10. I don't agree with him all the time...
But I think he is a credible person and take what he has to say seriously...I don't immediately demonize him simply because I happen do disagree with him at times...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:50 PM
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11. So I say in the same spirit....
That the inverse apples,and that you shouldn't say someone loves him because they happen to agree with him at times.Perhaps those people are just like you and they find him credible,though not always agreeable,as well.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:14 PM
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17. The difference of course is...
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 02:25 PM by SaveElmer
I do not demonize him as so many are. I would not say as you did in response to this thread being posted that some would quote Charles Manson if he praised Hillary...

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:28 PM
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21. Some would.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:58 PM
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14. SOMETIMES he's credible, but hardly 100% of the time.
Sometimes he's just another inside the beltway type with zero credibility. Nothing wrong with taking a peruse on his blog (hey, there are a wealth of interesting links), but I think it is a mistake to take him too seriously. He has a product to sell just like everybody else.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:16 PM
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18. His always credible...he is just not always right...
There is a difference.

Either a persons opinion is worth listening to or it isn't. And its worth is based on a judgment of the persons credibility. If he is credible when making an argument you agree with, he is not less so because he makes one you disagree with....
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:25 PM
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20. I disagree. Sometimes he completely lacks credibility.
He's been wrong, I've corrected him, and he failed to correct himself. He targets Dems for stupid silly stuff so that his RW readers will keep coming back for more. Then he calls Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld a war criminal to keep his left flank. It's a pattern. Watch it. He's done this to Clinton countless times. You know I'm not a fan, but he often goes after her with absolutely nothing a la the '90s. I do not take him too seriously in the credibility category. Where I will compliment him with is the following: a wealth of links to all kinds of places unmatched anywhere in the blogosphere, a place to remain informed of conservative ideology, especially economic, and a huge variety of topics you won't always find sticking with liberal blogs. He also is a very gifted writer. But his opinions I put low on the list of assets his blog provides. You get burned enough by him, and you realize he's no different than Joe Klein or any of the other snark artists inside the beltway.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:54 PM
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13. Actually, that's not really true, SaveElmer. Sully remains a controversial
figure. People will go negative on him, even if they agree with something he said. Sometimes he'll say something that makes sense, but you know he is a rabid Clinton hater, so just keep that in mind. He'll praise a Dem one day and utterly destroy them the next. It's how he keeps traffic up -- getting readership from the left, right, and center. In fact, I am cynical enough to think that is why he'll throw Dems a bone from time to time and the next instant link with Powerline to some smear on that same Dem -- increases the traffic.

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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:50 PM
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12. He also recently linked to NRO's case against S-CHIPS
It definitely pays to read him just to realize I am definitely NOT a conservative. He's a good writer but not a very good pundit (in terms of being right or making correct predictions). I didn't watch the debate last night so I can't comment on who won, I just think his opinion is worth not much more than any of us here or elsewhere on the blogosphere.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:14 PM
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3. The incredible, inevitable Hillary.
Repeat that meme again, please, in case anyone hasn't heard yet,

And, do it again. And again . . .

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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:58 PM
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15. Saying she did a good job at the debate
is the same thing as saying she's inevitable? How is that?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:08 PM
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16. The fact that Andrew Sullivan is praising Hillary is not something that I would be proud of
In fact such praise says nothing could about Hillary or her positions. Just another reason to oppose her.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:24 PM
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19. he hates Hillary, btw
if you read his blog, that's pretty clear. He's no fan of hers.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:28 PM
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22. He is a fan of Obama. For now. But also a big caution to Obama supporters.
He'll turn on somebody without a moment's notice. I will repeat to you what I said to SaveElmer -- do NOT take Andrew Sullivan too seriously. He'll fail you every time.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:58 PM
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23. k&r
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